2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Tkachuk's contract is, IMO, a black-mark on Treliving. That's going to be a tough re-sign when it is up. In hindsight, it looks really bad and Treliving should really have made the room somehow. I got that this team had 'something to prove' after their fantastic regular season and disastrous playoffs, but it may turn out to be a huge blunder in a couple of seasons.

Ha. Nice. The ultimate cherry picking post..

‘I don’t know what I would have done, but I wouldn’t have done it that way’

[1qqaaz]

Tkachuk's contract does look pretty iffy in hindsight.

But I don't blame Treliving for failing to predict 3 years of a flat cap.
And if you compare it to Skinner or Hayes, it's great at worst. That's not saying much though.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Ha. Nice. The ultimate cherry picking post..

‘I don’t know what I would have done, but I wouldn’t have done it that way’

Uhh.. cherry picking? Maybe the ultimate 'sitting on the fence post', but how is that cherry picking? Please explain.

[AC]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

has a history of knowing the square root of F all.

I love this expression!

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Ha. Nice. The ultimate cherry picking post..

‘I don’t know what I would have done, but I wouldn’t have done it that way’

I don't know how calgary4lyf felt at the time but it was a bad decision then and it's a worse decision now with hindsight.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Doctorfever

There is no way you put an “A” on Tkachuk while thinking, there is no way we would ever want him to be captain. I would also saying the same about all assistant captains on the team.

But to say that chunky is not captain material is just way wrong. He wears the A for a reason. He is a leader on the team

Chunky was Keith, not Matt. And I’m not sure that’s an accurate statement. I don’t think he’s considered a leader quite yet.

ETA: quite often teams give an A to someone they hope will become a leader because of getting it.

[blender]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I don't feel so bad anymore, with how the Stars are playing against Colorado.

I get what you are saying, but honestly, if anyone doesn't think the Stars are a good team they really don't know much about hockey. News flash: the Flames are also a good team. They didn't execute well enough and they have some flaws, but they are above average. We all want them to be better, but some of the comments during and after the series were laughable.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by blender

I get what you are saying, but honestly, if anyone doesn't think the Stars are a good team they really don't know much about hockey. News flash: the Flames are also a good team. They didn't execute well enough and they have some flaws, but they are above average. We all want them to be better, but some of the comments during and after the series were laughable.

Totally agree-I knew they were a good team, but the fact they were up 2-0 on the mighty Avs is further proof of just how good they are.

[robertsfanatic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They broke him.

He isn’t the same Andersen from a year or two ago. I’ve got no interest in Andersen at this stage, especially not at $5M.

yeah no kidding, he faced the most shots in the NHL for his first couple of Leafs seasons and was in the top 5 again this year.

having said all that i would take a chance on him and Josh too!

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Calgary4LIfe

Uhh.. cherry picking? Maybe the ultimate 'sitting on the fence post', but how is that cherry picking? Please explain.

The way I read the post, and forgive me if I’ve misinterpreted, was some criticism was being directed towards Treliving for the Tkachuk contract.

Will it be a tough resign? Yes, probably. But it likely would have been regardless of the term. What’s the issue with the contract?

My understanding is that the Flames will need to qualify Tkachuk at $10 for his next contract. He will be 24 and under team control. At the time the deal was signed do we know what the cap projections were going to be? No. We understand the cap could have been as high as 88 million next year, pre pandemic. What were the comparable deals being signed in 2019? Point at 6.75 on a three year term will get the same QO as he is also due $9 in his final year. Rantanen at 9.25 for 6? Is that one better? Why? What’s the cap going to be in 6 years?

Seems to me there is quite a bit here we, the fans, don’t know. Not too sure what Treliving should have done here.

Maybe cherry picking is the wrong term, nitpicky for sure though. League wide, I don’t see what the issue is here.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Why would Tkachuk's next contract be hard to re-sign? What am I missing here? Is this mythical $9M qualification the issue? What makes Tkachuk's contract such an albatross, so long as he plays up to the level expected by the team?

[savemedrzaius]

Originally Posted by robertsfanatic

yeah no kidding, he faced the most shots in the NHL for his first couple of Leafs seasons and was in the top 5 again this year.

having said all that i would take a chance on him and Josh too!

All I know is this season according to moneypuck he was ranked 19th in Save%Above Expected...Tukka Rask, Hellybuck, and Hart were ranked top 3. So is it the Leafs D that is letting him down or is it Andersen letting the team down? Either way I think it makes sense for them to part ways.

http://moneypuck.com/goalies.htm

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by New Era

Why would Tkachuk's next contract be hard to re-sign? What am I missing here? Is this mythical $9M qualification the issue? What makes Tkachuk's contract such an albatross, so long as he plays up to the level expected by the team?

Maybe it’s sticker shock. But fans should get used to seeing players, specifically high end ones, getting paid in excess of $10 per.

[Inferno]

The thing with Tkachuk is just because his qualifier offer may be 9 million doesn't mean that's the minimum he's going to sign for. The two sides could get a deal done before it even gets to the point of having to qualify him.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Man, OEL seems like such a Flames target. Maloney drafted him, no?

Not only that, but a few years ago, Treliving was asked something along the lines of "your favourite player you've drafted" (not sure the exact question) and rather than any Flame, he named OEL.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Maybe it’s sticker shock. But fans should get used to seeing players, specifically high end ones, getting paid in excess of $10 per.

Not in a flat marketplace. That will act as a drag on salaries and make the big $10M ones few and far between. I would be shocked to see Tkachuk get a major bump on what he's currently making. He got paid for potential, and he's not achieved those lofty heights yet. Unless he has a couple of really good years, and does something in the playoffs, he's at his optimum salary right now. If he feels otherwise he can ask for a trade and find out on another team that his "intangibles" aren't worth that much in a salary capped market.

[Toonage]

Not that I'm advocating trading with the Coyotes, but its worth noting that dealing with them will be less daunting given they will be in the Central in a year's time. Moving a guy there is then a little less likely to bite you in the ass as you wouldn't have to play him 6 times a year.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by blender

I get what you are saying, but honestly, if anyone doesn't think the Stars are a good team they really don't know much about hockey. News flash: the Flames are also a good team. They didn't execute well enough and they have some flaws, but they are above average. We all want them to be better, but some of the comments during and after the series were laughable.

I think the frustration by many isn't that the team is bad, it's just that as a franchise this is about as good as they ever get (average to above average). When will the team be better than that, and is this core/core/management team capable of that is the main question.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by New Era

Not in a flat marketplace. That will act as a drag on salaries and make the big $10M ones few and far between. I would be shocked to see Tkachuk get a major bump on what he's currently making. He got paid for potential, and he's not achieved those lofty heights yet. Unless he has a couple of really good years, and does something in the playoffs, he's at his optimum salary right now. If he feels otherwise he can ask for a trade and find out on another team that his "intangibles" aren't worth that much in a salary capped market.

If Tkachuk was a UFA this summer he gets 8.5M plus on the open market. So 10M in a few years is not far off.

[Macho0978]

Originally Posted by New Era

Why would Tkachuk's next contract be hard to re-sign? What am I missing here? Is this mythical $9M qualification the issue? What makes Tkachuk's contract such an albatross, so long as he plays up to the level expected by the team?

There is also huge risk for Tkachuk to just take the one year as well. I'm sure he will want long term over 1 year and with the cap being much lower maybe the flames get him for less than the 9+ he wanted long term when the bridge deal was signed