Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by ignite09

So cops kill blacks at a higher rate because they're more dangerous? That's your take away?

The truth is, I don't know. I'm offering a possible explanation to you saying they are disproportionally at risk. It could be that, it could be that every single one of them is racist. Questions without answers.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Yoho

It’s much easier if you just come out with a blanket statement that “anyone who disagrees with me in this thread is a racist.”

Self awareness isn't your strong suit I take it.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

The truth is, I don't know. I'm offering a possible explanation to you saying they are disproportionally at risk. It could be that, it could be that every single one of them is racist. Questions without answers.

You're not seriously suggesting that American cops kill more blacks because they are inherently more dangerous than whites are you?

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yoho

It’s much easier if you just come out with a blanket statement that “anyone who disagrees with me in this thread is a racist.”

It’s be much easier for racists to stop bending over backwards to justify the killings of Black men to just say “I’m fine with it because I’m a racist.”

But, here we are. C’est la vie.

I just thought Kyle Rittenhouse would be a big deal! He shot three people and killed two of them and cops just let him go! He was a killer walking towards police with the murder weapon! But I guess he’s not Black enough for some people to notice. Or maybe they’re just going SO deep on his criminal history like they do for Black folks, that it’s taking an extra long time. Yeah, that’s it, hit us with the GOOD stuff!

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by ignite09

You're not seriously suggesting that American cops kill more blacks because they are inherently more dangerous than whites are you?

there's a good chance you have a reading comprehension problem

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

It’s be much easier for racists to stop bending over backwards to justify the killings of Black men to just say “I’m fine with it because I’m a racist.”

But, here we are. C’est la vie.

I just thought Kyle Rittenhouse would be a big deal! He shot three people and killed two of them and cops just let him go! He was a killer walking towards police with the murder weapon! But I guess he’s not Black enough for some people to notice. Or maybe they’re just going SO deep on his criminal history like they do for Black folks, that it’s taking an extra long time. Yeah, that’s it, hit us with the GOOD stuff!

Your post has been reported. Totally offside.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Elkyiv

there's a good chance you have a reading comprehension problem

Yeah, I'm not the one with the problem.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Your post has been reported. Totally offside.

Well. If anyone is wondering where the snowflakes went.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Yoho

Your post has been reported. Totally offside.

You actually just have to click the button, writing a post about it doesn’t help.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by ignite09

You're not seriously suggesting that American cops kill more blacks because they are inherently more dangerous than whites are you?

Inherently isn't a useful word.

You think blacks are disproportionately shot because of racist cops. Do you think those cops are inherently racist?

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

Inherently isn't a useful word.

You think blacks are disproportionately shot because of racist cops. Do you think those cops are inherently racist?

I think blacks are disproportionately shot by cops because of a racist system. Blaming it just on individual police is an overly simplistic view.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by ignite09

I think blacks are disproportionately shot by cops because of a racist system. Blaming it just on individual police is an overly simplistic view.

I just want to be clear on your point: the cops behave like racists because the system taught them to be racist, even though they might not actually be racist.

Did I get that right?

[Mr.Coffee]

BoLevi I'm honestly not sure what your point is here or what you're really getting at.

You think people are jumping to conclusions prior to having all the evidence, but there are videos. You maintain not all the facts are rolled out, but in other cases they have been or near enough to certainly form educated opinions.

Over all the bodies of evidence and facts and whatnot you keep talking about, what is your opinion? Do you think police brutality is a problem in the US? Do you think the system is racist? Do you think policing is racist?

Sometimes generalizations can be fairly made.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by ignite09

Well. If anyone is wondering where the snowflakes went.

[Mod test]

That's the kind of comment a pedophile would make.

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[ignite09]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

I just want to be clear on your point: the cops behave like racists because the system taught them to be racist, even though they might not actually be racist.

Did I get that right?

Blacks are disproportionately shot by cops because of a society that simply doesn't look at a black life with the same value as a white one. It's a system that thrives on self, over others. Blacks are an annoyance to certain people, and power over them helps certain Americans bottom line. Equality is the goal of some, and a nuisance to others. A few posters on this site find the conversation itself more annoying than relavent.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

[Mod test]

That's the kind of comment a pedophile would make.

[/Mod test]

would love to know what this post actually was, lol.

[Mr.Coffee]

I think you’re looking at it. And I’m not sure you got it.

[ignite09]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

I think you’re looking at it. And I’m not sure you got it.

Obviously not.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by Mr.Coffee

BoLevi I'm honestly not sure what your point is here or what you're really getting at.

You think people are jumping to conclusions prior to having all the evidence, but there are videos. You maintain not all the facts are rolled out, but in other cases they have been or near enough to certainly form educated opinions.

Over all the bodies of evidence and facts and whatnot you keep talking about, what is your opinion? Do you think police brutality is a problem in the US? Do you think the system is racist? Do you think policing is racist?

Sometimes generalizations can be fairly made.

I think racism exists, and I think it exists to a far larger degree than any of us should feel comfortable about. Do I think there are racist cops? Absolutely, and more than we should accept.

The data is pretty clear that blacks are over-represented in police shootings, police deaths and other key statistics. Do I believe racism in law enforcement is the best explanation for this data? No, I don't - at least not in the current time. We can all go look at the various statistics and see what the outcomes are, but digging deeper reveals a much more complicated situation. Going over the data is pretty long and we can do it, but I don't want a total wall of text. But it certainly fits the data that individuals' behaviours are the cause the crime statistics for the most part. I will say that just looking at outcomes that are disproportionate (effect) and saying it is law enforcement racism (cause), is doing a disservice to the plight of black communities. I would extend that to the concept of systemic racism as well. I think the causes are much more complicated than what people think when they think systemic racism which implies an oppressor and a victim. I'm in the Glenn Loury camp which takes the position that historical patterns are more prevalent as a cause than systemic racism. Coleman Hughes also writes compellingly with similar ideas: https://quillette.com/2018/05/14/the-racism-treadmill/

I note that the term "systemic racism" became prevalent as a replacement for "institutional racism". It's a useful exchange as people were having a hard time identifying any racist institutions, but systemic racism is a term that is, deliberately, simultaneously unverifiable and unfalsifiable.

Race obviously plays a role in the outcomes we are describing, however, it is obviously not a genetic component (we're identical genetically). As a society, the US is failing its black communities. But an acknowledgement of that failure does not require an oppressor/victim dynamic that is the definition of systemic racism. The cause is a much more complex melange of socio-economic factors: behaviour, patterns, cultural expectations, public policy, education policy, even small business regulatory policy - to name a few examples.

While situations like Floyd and Blake are tragic, we also have to be aware that looking at individual situations can be a canard. We simply can't extrapolate anything based on a small sample size.

[Mr.Coffee]

How many dead people before it’s no longer a small sample size?