08-26-2020, 04:27 PM
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#4521
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Lifetime In Suspension
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NBA avoiding admitting a wildcat strike is happening by trying to get ahead of it and saying they’ve postponed the games. PR at its finest.
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08-26-2020, 04:30 PM
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#4522
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Looch City
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The paradox of jumping to conclusions about whether or not a cop jumped to conclusions about a suspect.
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08-26-2020, 04:48 PM
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#4523
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Looooooooooooooch
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
The paradox of jumping to conclusions about whether or not a cop jumped to conclusions about a suspect.
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Which random sentence generator do you use? I found this one pretty cool: https://www.textfixer.com/tools/random-sentences.php
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08-26-2020, 05:02 PM
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#4524
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Franchise Player
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I actually feel bad for the 17 year old kid (now hear me out) Trump/far right has basically set these people up to think they are actually doing the right thing. He's just a kid but has been brainwashed into thinking he is a patriot or some BS.
You can tell after he shoots the first guy he doesn't know what to do...either help or run
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08-26-2020, 05:04 PM
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#4525
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First Line Centre
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Originally Posted by Looch City
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NBA players are upset because they think the cops jumped to some conclusion about Jacob Blake's intentions and shot him prematurely.
But the NBA players are jumping to conclusions about the situation between Blake and the cops as well.
It's ironic.
(This is endemic to this thread too, but I digress).
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08-26-2020, 05:11 PM
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#4526
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: east van
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Derek Sutton
That’s your take away? Omitting all context is just too easy. Should anyone be shot for simply having a gun and their car? Of course not!! Should anyone be allowed to parade up and down the streets with a loaded rifle? Of course not!!! Are their consequences when a wanted man disobeys orders, fights with officers, possesses a weapon, threatens officers with a gun (allegedly) and acts unpredictably? Of course there is!
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so the police are justified in shooting a black guy that they think might have a gun but they dont bother to shoot the white guy with a rifle who just shot 3 people and killed 2?
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08-26-2020, 05:12 PM
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#4527
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Looooooooooooooch
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
NBA players are upset because they think the cops jumped to some conclusion about Jacob Blake's intentions and shot him prematurely.
But the NBA players are jumping to conclusions about the situation between Blake and the cops as well.
It's ironic.
(This is endemic to this thread too, but I digress).
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So now the goal post is "jumping to conclusions"?
Okay then here's one for you:
What gives police officers the right to jump to conclusions and end lives (whether innocent OR guilty) when the defendant is not threatening?
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08-26-2020, 05:17 PM
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#4528
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Lifetime In Suspension
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Sounds like the NBA season may be in jeopardy. Good, it will take something major to get through to some of these slower folks that the state sponsored murder of its citizens should not be tolerated.
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08-26-2020, 05:18 PM
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#4529
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by afc wimbledon
so the police are justified in shooting a black guy that they think might have a gun but they dont bother to shoot the white guy with a rifle who just shot 3 people and killed 2?
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There are a number of scenarios where this could be true. For instance, the Kyle kid might not have been posing a threat when they went to arrest him, where Jacob Blake was. We simply don't yet know.
We do know they weren't justified in shooting the Kyle kid because they took him into custody without incident. So by definition, he did not need to be shot. On the other hand, we don't know the what happened in the Jacob Blake situation yet.
There isn't a lot of value in analyzing the two cases together. Whatever good or bad happened in each situation, we can determine that independently of the events in the other situation.
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08-26-2020, 05:19 PM
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#4530
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Looch City
So now the goal post is "jumping to conclusions"?
Okay then here's one for you:
What gives police officers the right to jump to conclusions and end lives (whether innocent OR guilty) when the defendant is not threatening?
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As far as I can tell, it doesn't. I don't think anyone has made that argument. Have they?
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08-26-2020, 05:27 PM
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#4531
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
As far as I can tell, it doesn't. I don't think anyone has made that argument. Have they?
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You have, in your convoluted and failed attempt to justify this.
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08-26-2020, 05:28 PM
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#4532
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Craig McTavish' Merkin
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The guy shooting the video was literally yelling at the cops telling them the kid was the shooter but he was ignored.
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08-26-2020, 05:30 PM
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#4533
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First Line Centre
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Acey
You have, in your convoluted and failed attempt to justify this.
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I don't think I have suggested that cops are allowed to kill people that they perceive as non-threatening.
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08-26-2020, 05:30 PM
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#4534
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Franchise Player
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ResAlien
Sounds like the NBA season may be in jeopardy. Good, it will take something major to get through to some of these slower folks that the state sponsored murder of its citizens should not be tolerated.
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Something tells me the cancellation of the NBA playoffs wouldn't change much.
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08-26-2020, 05:34 PM
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#4535
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#1 Goaltender
Join Date: Feb 2012
Location: Calgary
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
I don't think I have suggested that cops are allowed to kill people that they perceive as non-threatening.
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Just bad luck, I guess, that black men reaching into their cars, or lying prone on the ground, or have their arms in the air, are perceived as more threatening, than a white man with a rifle.
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08-26-2020, 05:50 PM
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#4536
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
There are a number of scenarios where this could be true. For instance, the Kyle kid might not have been posing a threat when they went to arrest him, where Jacob Blake was. We simply don't yet know.
We do know they weren't justified in shooting the Kyle kid because they took him into custody without incident. So by definition, he did not need to be shot. On the other hand, we don't know the what happened in the Jacob Blake situation yet.
There isn't a lot of value in analyzing the two cases together. Whatever good or bad happened in each situation, we can determine that independently of the events in the other situation.
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The kid wasn't even old enough to be carrying that gun. They didn't even check to see if anyone of those white guys were legal gun owners or if the were just some nuts playing Rambo. It was because they were white.
Interesting side note the ONLY time the N.R.A ever supported a assault rifle ban was when the Blqck Panthers did it in 1967 . They were legal gun owners that were lawfully following open carry laws. They then endored the passing of the Mulford Act in 1967 after the Black panthers protested police violence while open carrying. They passed the Mulford act because they didn't feel comfortable with Black people having the same gun rights as whites so California just banned open carry out right because they couldn't just bann Black people.
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08-26-2020, 05:57 PM
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#4537
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Fighting Banana Slug
Just bad luck, I guess, that black men reaching into their cars, or lying prone on the ground, or have their arms in the air, are perceived as more threatening, than a white man with a rifle.
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Philando Castile was a legal gun carrying American that had a license to have a gun on him . He even told the cop that stopped him he had a gun in his car and that he had his license with him . The cop told him to grab his license and show it to him. With one hand up and reaching for his wallet the cop still shot him in the chest mutiple times from the passenger side where his gf was sitting. His child was in the back aswell.
Lawful gun owner who was trying to produce his license . We know what happened because his GF filmed the event from the passenger seat.
Last edited by combustiblefuel; 08-27-2020 at 10:22 AM.
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08-26-2020, 06:02 PM
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#4538
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Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Nanaimo
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Tamir rice was shot in 2 seconds in a park playing with a toy gun. 2 seconds they didn't even try to find out if it was real or not . 2 seconds to shoot a 12 year old.
Last edited by combustiblefuel; 08-26-2020 at 06:12 PM.
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08-26-2020, 06:09 PM
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#4539
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Quote:
Originally Posted by combustiblefuel
Philando Castile was a legal gun carrying American that had a license to have a gun on him . He even told the cop that stopped him he had a gun in his car and that he had his license with him . The cop told him to grab it and show it to him.
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EDIT: I misread your post, though you were saying that the cop told Castile to get his gun and show it to him, not his license, which is accurate.
Anyway the transcript of the incident is here.
https://www.ramseycounty.us/sites/de...Transcript.pdf
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08-26-2020, 06:22 PM
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#4540
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Franchise Player
Join Date: Jan 2012
Location: Ontario
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Quote:
Originally Posted by BoLevi
I don't think I have suggested that cops are allowed to kill people that they perceive as non-threatening.
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Your viewpoints have long gone past trolling into downright despicable, disgusting behaviour. People who argue the same BS you've been spouting and shifting and spewing are one of the reasons some people think it's okay for a black guy who may or may not have a record to get shot 7 times in the back while a white guy can walk down the street with a loaded weapon.
You should be more than embarrassed, but predictably, you're not.
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