2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Bonded

Of course the fans will say no. Prospects are always overvalued. Not saying Monahan will get traded for Cozens but what center can they get that is better than Monahan for Cozens?

Also, Monahan would be a 2nd line C in Buffalo, where Eichel gets ALL of the attention from opposing teams. Monahan would likely flourish in such an environment. And Buffalo would have one of the best 1-2 punches down the middle in the league.

But fans would never give up a great prospect for that.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, Monahan would be a 2nd line C in Buffalo, where Eichel gets ALL of the attention from opposing teams. Monahan would likely flourish in such an environment. And Buffalo would have one of the best 1-2 punches down the middle in the league.

But fans would never give up a great prospect for that.

Yup, if they want to wait for Cozens to make the NHL that is fair but if they want an established center than I don't think they will do much better than Monahan

[Harry Lime]

The reasons Cozens is more coveted by the Flames is that he is ready to be a third line centre in the NHL starting next season. The 8th overall pick is potentially three years away from making any kind of impact. If you trade Monahan to the Sabres, it starts with Cozens or there is no talk. Keep in mind that there is no guarantee that Cozens becomes a better player than Monahan.

Monahan for Cozens, Middelstadt and Miller is a fair trade, and anything else skews to far toward Buffalo. Unproven players are loved by the fanbase, but hated by real life GMs.

[Corral]

The flames are not trading a #1 centre who is signed for 6million per year. Definitely not.

[dammage79]

Going to be interesting the Flames off season. Will they? Won't they? Who will do the things? Will anyone?

[Vinny01]

I think for Buffalonthey are hoping Cozens becomes an effective second line centre after Eichel. Considering they are on an advanced clock to contend to keep Eichel happy it makes sense they would move Cozens for a guy that fills that role now and for the foreseeable future which Monahan is. Considering Monahan has multiple 30+ goal seasons and 7 22+goal seasons he is worth more than an unproven prospect so Buffalo adds a Dman

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by Corral

The flames are not trading a #1 centre who is signed for 6million per year. Definitely not.

It would make me warm & fuzzy if they traded which is a #2 center who is signed for $6.375 per though.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Corral

The flames are not trading a #1 centre who is signed for 6million per year. Definitely not.

Are the Flames trading a number 1C, or their number 1C? There is a difference.

I don’t have Monahan as a legitimate 1C, he is on this team though. Trading him for a prospect, like Cozens, might be the only way the Flames are likely to get a 1C other than winning a draft lottery one of these years.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Yeah it’s either Cozens and Montour for Monahan or Reinhart and 8th OA. The second deal maybe having Calgary give up a prospect.

EDIT: the second deal can be Monahan and Kylington for Reinhart and 8th OA.

[Corral]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Are the Flames trading a number 1C, or their number 1C? There is a difference.

I don’t have Monahan as a legitimate 1C, he is on this team though. Trading him for a prospect, like Cozens, might be the only way the Flames are likely to get a 1C other than winning a draft lottery one of these years.

He’s a 1C. There’s just a sourness on CP that needs to pass. I personally think he is the next captain of this team although I appreciate that will not be a popular opinion around here.

[bigrangy]

Monahan would be the best C traded in the last decade (at the time of the trade).

Cozens+8 is the base, otherwise try a new coach and see how he does again next year.

[powderjunkie]

BUF's D deployment was weird this year due to their imbalance. Montour-Ristolainen played together quite a lot, but I'm not sure which guy played on his off-side?

It's also hard to even tell what they were/are trying to do down the middle. Still seems odd that Mittlestadt didn't come back up with all of the injuries.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Corral

He’s a 1C. There’s just a sourness on CP that needs to pass. I personally think he is the next captain of this team although I appreciate that will not be a popular opinion around here.

IIRC Sutter had said Monahan was elite already back during his second year in the league.

Regardless. After all that has been said and done over the past month and a half, I’m beginning to think it’s less likely the Flames move on from Monahan or Gaudreau. Given Treliving’s current contract status (2 more years?) I think he is going to look to add to the current group. The guy that wouldn’t surprise me to see him pursue to play with JG and SM is Josh Anderson.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

The reasons Cozens is more coveted by the Flames is that he is ready to be a third line centre in the NHL starting next season.

Has starting top prospects off as "third line centres" ever worked, for anyone?

The Oilers thought Draisaitl could be a third line centre for him, and that flopped and they sent him back to junior. The player didn't see success until he played top six with Hall in his sophomore season.

Monahan, despite the goalscoring numbers, had a pretty miserable rookie season as a third line centre.

Sam Bennett, we all remember his sophomore season.

What about Dylan Strome in Arizona? How did he look as the Coyotes' 3C?

I dunno, I just don't this is a good plan as you state it. Not because Cozens isn't talented, but because I don't think you put top prospects out of junior into that role and expect good results.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

BUF's D deployment was weird this year due to their imbalance. Montour-Ristolainen played together quite a lot, but I'm not sure which guy played on his off-side?

It's also hard to even tell what they were/are trying to do down the middle. Still seems odd that Mittlestadt didn't come back up with all of the injuries.

Buffalo seems to have the exact opposite issue the Flames have, too many RHS. They could be be natural trading partners.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Monahan would be the best C traded in the last decade (at the time of the trade).

Cozens+8 is the base, otherwise try a new coach and see how he does again next year.

Seguin? Johansen? ROR?

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I think for Buffalonthey are hoping Cozens becomes an effective second line centre after Eichel. Considering they are on an advanced clock to contend to keep Eichel happy it makes sense they would move Cozens for a guy that fills that role now and for the foreseeable future which Monahan is. Considering Monahan has multiple 30+ goal seasons and 7 22+goal seasons he is worth more than an unproven prospect so Buffalo adds a Dman

Exactly. Monahan is basically what Buffalo hopes Cozens would develop into. There's no way Flames would only get Cozens for Monahan. That just makes the Flames worse, while waiting to see if Cozens even develops to a Monahan level. People who think Buffalo wouldn't jump at the chance if it was just Cozens is out to lunch. I'd say it'd cost Cozens + another significant piece to get Monahan.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Are the Flames trading a number 1C, or their number 1C? There is a difference.

I don’t have Monahan as a legitimate 1C, he is on this team though. Trading him for a prospect, like Cozens, might be the only way the Flames are likely to get a 1C other than winning a draft lottery one of these years.

Monahan gets a bad rap sometimes. He's not an elite 1C but he's a 1C

Over the last 5 seasons he ranks 24th among listed centers in points per game. He also ranks 21st among listed centers in 5 on 5 points per 60 minutes.

The guy is a 1C

Over his career so far (including his rookie year AND his most recent 'down year') he's averaged 0.36 goals per game and 0.76 points per game.

That's 30 goals and 62 points per 82 game season. He's also durable as all hell only missing less than 20 games over his entire 7 year career so far.

Matt Duchene at the time of his trade from Colorado to Ottawa was 27 years old, had a little over a year and a half left on his contract ($6 million AAV IIRC) and to that point in his career had produced 0.31 goals per game and 0.73 points per game.

Monahan is younger, signed longer and has produced more than Duchene when he was dealt. Plus Duchene had publicly asked for a trade on top of everything else.

If the Flames trade Monahan without getting a massive haul back comparable to the Duchene trade if it's futures, the trade should be nixed by ownership and Treliving fired immediately.

[bigrangy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Seguin? Johansen? ROR?

Seguin
1 season of 67 points (albeit as a u20 player)
32 points in 46 games the season before the trade (lockout year)

Johansen
63, 71 and 26 (in 38) points the 2.5 seasons before the trade

ROR
20 (in 29, lockout year), 64, 55 the three seasons before the trade. 61,55,60 before the next trade.

Monahan
64, 82, 48 (in 70) last 3 years

Didn’t realize how poor he produced this year honestly but he’s still got the highest and most spotless track record of any of these guys

Isn’t immature and a bad fit for the team culture (seguin), and hasn’t drove drunk into a Timmie’s either (ror).

Monahan would be the most valuable asset traded in the last decade and the Flames better get that value.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Seguin? Johansen? ROR?

I think I'd put him third.

Seguin
ROR
Monahan
Johansen
Kadri

Originally Posted by bigrangy

Seguin
1 season of 67 points (albeit as a u20 player)
32 points in 46 games the season before the trade (lockout year)

Johansen
63, 71 and 26 (in 38) points the 2.5 seasons before the trade

ROR
20 (in 29, lockout year), 64, 55 the three seasons before the trade. 61,55,60 before the next trade.

Monahan
64, 82, 48 (in 70) last 3 years

Didn’t realize how poor he produced this year honestly but he’s still got the highest and most spotless track record of any of these guys

Isn’t immature and a bad fit for the team culture (seguin), and hasn’t drove drunk into a Timmie’s either (ror).

Monahan would be the most valuable asset traded in the last decade and the Flames better get that value.

Seguin maybe wasn't better at the time of the trade, but due to his age and draft pedigree I think the thought was he was on track to be an elite top line center.

ROR maybe doesn't have the point totals, but is seen as a better 2 way center for him.

But yeah I think it's close for sure.