2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[AustinL_NHL]

New Era makes me chuckle

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

What about a trade around Gaudreau to the Penguins for Murray?

Murray is better than his reputation right now, with a couple of awful stretches that suppressed his yearly totals, but some really great hockey outside of that. Pittsburgh logically has to move Murray or Jarry if they don't want to lose one to Seattle. They also want to shed some salary and shake up the offense a bit since losing Kessel hurt.

Gaudreau + Kylington

for

Murray + (Bjugstad? Rust? Basically someone that gives them a million or two in cap savings)

This almost made me puke

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Wow I'm sorry Pepsi but that is truly horrible.

Hey man if the Flames are gonna just shuffle the deck chairs on the titanic for another 2-3 years at least let me have fun imagining it.

Murray is honestly better than his averaged out numbers. In the absence of getting Lehner or Markstrom since our luck suggests neither of those guys will even be available, this at least gives us a guy who can be a starter.

And that's also not "the trade," it's just where I think you can start. Penguins add something, or we get something better than Bjugstad? Who knows.

Maybe a bag of beans would be better. But I doubt this management group is trading Gaudreau for a dream.

[Roof-Daddy]

We should be able to get Murray for a 2nd and 3rd type of trade. Trading Gaudreau to get him is not something I want to see.

You have to be sure it was just a down year though, because not only do you trade for him, but you are also signing him for roughly 5-6 years and $30 million total, s0 $5-6 million AAV.

[indes]

Is there anything we could put with Gaudreau to pry Hischier out of New Jersey?

[AustinL_NHL]

Hischier is a fantastic young player, but he's coming off an underwhelming season and has a $7.25M cap hit for the next 7 years starting next season.

Also, because of that commitment as well as the fact he has loads of talent and potential, I also can't see New Jersey trading him without a significant addition (or 2) on top of Gaudreau

[Ashasx]

I remain steadfast in my belief that goalies are wildcard voodoo and wouldn't trade your biggest trading chip for one that just came off the worst season of his career.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

I remain steadfast in my belief that goalies are wildcard voodoo and wouldn't trade your biggest trading chip for one that just came off the worst season of his career.

Yup.

I can’t think of a big money UFA, or a big asset trade where the team trading for the goalie goes “Yup we won that trade for sure”

Usually the best course of action is To draft one with mid to late round picks, or to find a younger goalie that showed promise but the other team gave up on too soon.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by indes

Is there anything we could put with Gaudreau to pry Hischier out of New Jersey?

Tkachuk.

[Roof-Daddy]

If the Flames don't want to rebuild (which they probably don't) and they can't get a top 6 C for Gaudreau or Gaudreau + then I say get on the horn with the Caps who most certainly won't be rebuilding and see if something can be done where Gaudreau for Tom Wilson are the two main pieces being swapped.

Find a way to trade for Josh Anderson as well and put Lindholm back at center FFS.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Wilson
Hall - Monahan - Anderson
Mangi - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - XXXX

..would be a pretty stellar retooled forward group. (Sorry Bennett fans)

Not sure if there is cap left for the D and goaltending though.

[SuperMatt18]

I think people might be overrating Hischier here.

He’s only one draft after Tkachuk, and he’s been on a 20 goal, 50-55 point pace each of his three seasons.

If they want Tkachuk it probably means they are sending Hischier and their first this year because Tkachuk has been much better at the NHL level than Hischier has and Hischier hasn’t really shown much progression.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Yup.

I can’t think of a big money UFA, or a big asset trade where the team trading for the goalie goes “Yup we won that trade for sure”

Usually the best course of action is To draft one with mid to late round picks, or to find a younger goalie that showed promise but the other team gave up on too soon.

Yeah, I say throw an occasional mid or late round pick to draft a goalie, or just let other teams develop them. Then poach them when they are ready. Never draft them in the top 2 rounds unless you think you are getting Carey Price. By the time many of them are ready as a full time NHL starter, they are hitting the free agency market.

Just casually looking at the top 50 goalies or so by games played, it appears that well more than half were not drafted or developed by their current team, and many of them were signed as free agents or traded for in trades that were not that note worthy.

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Lindholm and Markstrom appear to be good friends from their posts on instagram. Maybe Calgary offering a good contract and having a few good Swedes on this team would be appealing?

Also, maybe looking at a team like Nashville who seem to be frustrated with their recent playoff performances might be a good idea? Forsberg would be the perfect RHS RW, and I would make a package around Gaudreau for that in an instant.

Might as well change our name to the Calgary Swedes!

[Dude Where's Makar?]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If the Flames don't want to rebuild (which they probably don't) and they can't get a top 6 C for Gaudreau or Gaudreau + then I say get on the horn with the Caps who most certainly won't be rebuilding and see if something can be done where Gaudreau for Tom Wilson are the two main pieces being swapped.

Find a way to trade for Josh Anderson as well and put Lindholm back at center FFS.

Tkachuk - Lindholm - Wilson
Hall - Monahan - Anderson
Mangi - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - XXXX

..would be a pretty stellar retooled forward group. (Sorry Bennett fans)

Not sure if there is cap left for the D and goaltending though.

I would rather find that money by trading Ryan and keep Bennett. That's a team that no one can keep up with physically.

The lineup you posted looks so complete while providing 3 legitimate scoring threats!

[ComixZone]

I think anyone talking "a hockey trade" is missing the point. We aren't getting a #1 centre for Gaudreau or Monahan, so it doesn't matter.

This team isn't winning without an elite centre. That's the bottom line. The longer this team puts off building through the draft, the more mediocrity we'll be exposed to.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by New Era

I agree with this, except the "Lucic - Bennett - Dube line has to start next season as the 3rd line." The line that gave the Stars life? The line that gave the Stars the lead? The line that did nothing, and I mean sweet #### all, after the Stars took the lead? Big nope. Keep Dube, and challenge him more, but I want Lucic and Bennett both gone, and I don't care what it takes. Eight or nine impressive playoff games does not wash the bitterness of a compete crap season out of my mouth. Find someone dumb enough to take them and use the cap space wisely.

Lol, you set the standard for trolling on CP, just amazing.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I think anyone talking "a hockey trade" is missing the point. We aren't getting a #1 centre for Gaudreau or Monahan, so it doesn't matter.

This team isn't winning without an elite centre. That's the bottom line. The longer this team puts off building through the draft, the more mediocrity we'll be exposed to.

Yeah, that's why I voted for rebuild in the poll thread, but I don't see the Flames doing that.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Dude Where's Makar?

I would rather find that money by trading Ryan and keep Bennett. That's a team that no one can keep up with physically.

The lineup you posted looks so complete while providing 3 legitimate scoring threats!

Yeah, the cap space is tight so both Bennett and Ryan might need to go and be replaced with league minimum 4th liners.

[Flash Walken]

Maybe instead of coveting the good young players of other teams, the Flames should just get their own?

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Maybe instead of coveting the good young players of other teams, the Flames should just get their own?

The Flames have plenty of good young players, they just missed the boat and ended up with too many high end to elite wingers and not enough high end to elite centers.

Bennett not reaching draft expectations really set the rebuild back, might have even killed it. Also never getting a real good long term option at coach, a solid #1 goalie and our #1 dman being in his late 30's all contribute to the mess we're currently in as well.