Do the Flames Keep Treliving?

[Toonage]

My concern is that if the Flames drop Treliving, Maloney takes over. That being said, does Treliving get another kick at he coaching can? Should he? Is this team better off now than when he took over?

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Toonage

My concern is that if the Flames drop Treliving, Maloney takes over.

This would be such a Flames thing to do. Good grief.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

What is Tkachuk, with 2 points in 6 playoff games, captain of?

The Flames fan club? He showed more in the suite today than on the ice this playoffs. Except for the fights, I guess

Yeah I'm not ready to worship at the altar of Tkachuk yet.

He had something to prove these playoffs and unfortunately didn't get much of a chance. So we're still waiting.

[troutman]

If this is our "most successful season since 2004", that is not saying very much, and this is the problem.

[dirk diggler]

Originally Posted by troutman

If this is our "most successful season since 2004", that is not saying very much, and this is the problem.

the bar has been set pretty low

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

How many GMs get 5 coaches with no playoff success?

I get people are angry but this hyperbole has to stop....be rational.

Tre has hired 2 Head Coaches.

Gulutzan and Peters.

Ward was promoted from within in the middle of a season when Peters actions from 10 years ago made him unemployable. If you want to count that as a hire...fill your boots but his choices were extremely limited with all other NHL head coaching candidates in the middle of their seasons elsewhere.

Many GMs get 3 hires, and some even more.

Go to town on him for his FA signings and whatnot, but this narrative is just patently untrue.

[Toonage]

Most GMs may get 3 hires, but when you look at how Treliving has approached the 2 he did, I'm not sure he should get another shot at it.

He passed over veteran proven coaches each time. The 2nd time (though I was supportive at the time) he didn't even interview anyone else and AV was sitting right there.

The only thing that might save him or explain these decisions is an ownership level mandate that he has to keep the hire to a certain price point.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Tre has hired 2 Head Coaches.

Gulutzan and Peters.

This should get you fired. Gully is useless, Peters is below average on a good day.

[codynw]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

This is a garbage franchise, that I would rank ahead of only Edmonton

That's an overreaction. Buffalo? Ottawa? Calgary is just mediocre, there are some genuine dumpster fires out there.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by zamler

This should get you fired. Gully is useless, Peters is below average on a good day.

In his one full season in Calgary...he won the Western Conference. Peters was very highly thought of in NHL circles, that's just a fact.

I dont think we know how good he was or could be either way.

GG was an abject failure without question.

Regardless a claim that BT gets to hire 5 head coaches is just not true.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

In his one full season in Calgary...he won the Western Conference. Peters was very highly thought of in NHL circles, that's just a fact.

I dont think we know how good he was or could be either way.

GG was an abject failure without question.

Regardless a claim that BT gets to hire 5 head coaches is just not true.

He wasn't well thought of. He was hated in Carolina and the Hurricanes were happy to see him go. The then GM even suppressed his coaching antics.

Bill Peters also got smoked in the playoffs.

Bill Peters was a bad coach and an embarrassment to this organization.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I get people are angry but this hyperbole has to stop....be rational.

Tre has hired 2 Head Coaches.

Gulutzan and Peters.

Ward was promoted from within in the middle of a season when Peters actions from 10 years ago made him unemployable. If you want to count that as a hire...fill your boots but his choices were extremely limited with all other NHL head coaching candidates in the middle of their seasons elsewhere.

Many GMs get 3 hires, and some even more.

Go to town on him for his FA signings and whatnot, but this narrative is just patently untrue.

Yeah I get frustrated that people keep saying that Ward was a hire, or some new addition to the coaching staff.

The coaching staff this season and playoff is the same coaching staff as the last playoffs and season.

This was the same group of coaches that led this team over the last 24 months, and really it was the same group even with Peters out of the picture.

Assistant coaches rarely get promoted to the head coach job when the head coach is fired for a reason - it's still the same staff and the message being sent to the players doesn't really change.

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He wasn't well thought of. He was hated in Carolina and the Hurricanes were happy to see him go. The then GM even suppressed his coaching antics.

Bill Peters also got smoked in the playoffs.

Bill Peters was a bad coach and an embarrassment to this organization.

It appears he was a horrible person, and if Treliving knew of Peters behaviour in his prior organization and decided to hire him anyways then he deserves to be fired anyways.

But it's not like Treliving went off the grid to hire some unknown. He was a well regarded member of Babcock's staff, had NHL coaching experience (where the biggest issue in Carolina was they didn't get a save), and had been employed by Hockey Canada on 6 separate occasions, including the World Cup of Hockey tournament.

And he appeared to be a great coach for about 50 games last year, and led the franchise to their best regular season finish in 30 years. Then he in-explicitly decided to change the style and structure this team was playing coming out of the week long break last year and the team never got that mojo back.

In the end Treliving still has to wear that mistake because maybe more due diligence would have uncovered the sins of Peters past, but hockey canada employed the guy too, so more than one group seemed to miss the character issues.

[PepsiFree]

I think at this point we're damned if you do, damned if you don't.

My first instinct is to scrap everything and start fresh, new GM, let him pick his team and pick his coach. Open the cheque-book.

But at the same time, I also see the value in giving Treliving one last shot to see what he does. Some "almost" trades have been good, but they don't count for #### at the end of the day. It's crystal clear that changes need to be made and needs that have existed for a couple of years absolutely need to be filled – now. This offseason isn't about tinkering. Treliving has taken a Feaster/Sutter team and made little changes building around that core, but now is the time for big changes, so I'm fine to see what he does with those.

I don't think changing Treliving out now is a sure thing to make us better. But what he does with guys like Gaudreau and Monahan, what he does with the goaltending situation, and what he does with the coaching position are going to decide how his legacy goes down. All of these things CAN be addressed with quality options this offseason, and if we're met with "came close" again? Then it's time to go.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He wasn't well thought of. He was hated in Carolina and the Hurricanes were happy to see him go. The then GM even suppressed his coaching antics.

Bill Peters also got smoked in the playoffs.

Bill Peters was a bad coach and an embarrassment to this organization.

Yes....he really was. Its why Hockey Canada had him in the fold.

Just because "the Hurricanes were happy to see him go" means nothing. Good/great coaches get fired all the time.

You are clearly reactig with emotion only with that last statement.

All of which, regardless, doesnt change the fact BT has only hired 2 HC's.

[Elkyiv]

I don't even know how you can say Flames are better than the Oilers. Since the Cup win, they have gotten out of the first round twice to Oilers six.

[zamler]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

He wasn't well thought of. He was hated in Carolina and the Hurricanes were happy to see him go. The then GM even suppressed his coaching antics.

Bill Peters also got smoked in the playoffs.

Bill Peters was a bad coach and an embarrassment to this organization.

Exactly.

[activeStick]

How many years does he have left, 2 or 3? He's done some good and some bad, like every GM. Coaching choices is at the top of the list of missteps and I think Treliving has shown that he learns and acts on his own mistakes and can see him making the right decision in the fall and bring in a proven coach as his philosophy has not worked.

My choice is to give him a last shot and keep him. Would not be disappointed if they brought in someone else though, but if they do, they need to knock it out of the park and get someone experienced.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Yes....he really was. Its why Hockey Canada had him in the fold.

Just because "the Hurricanes were happy to see him go" means nothing. Good/great coaches get fired all the time.

You are clearly reactig with emotion only with that last statement.

All of which, regardless, doesnt change the fact BT has only hired 2 HC's.

Who cares about Hockey Canada? Bob Nicholson came from there, and look at what he's doing up in Edmonton. I guess Brad Treliving was high on him, because he just hired him without proper due-diligence and without searching the field properly.

Neither of which have won a playoff series, and have been embarrassed in the playoffs all three times they've made the playoffs.

Yeah, I'm reacting emotionally - and honestly, I'd like to see the Flames organization act with some emotion. They don't. They're an unemotional, flaccid on-ice team.

Get pissed off about being a crap team. It's okay to do that. Look at Torts. Dude is an emotional coach but damn if he doesn't get a lot of his players.

What do we get? Some goofy mis-placed sense of pride because the team won a qualifying round against a non-playoff team and because they're battle tested.

They've failed every meaningful test they've ever taken at the NHL level. Frustrating as a fan. Deflating.

[cannon7]

If the Predators let Poile go I drop Treliving like a bad habit for him. Even a past his prime Poile is better than Treliving. Let Poile rebuild this mess.

[liamenator]

Hire Hextall.