Do the Flames Keep Treliving?

[Scary Eloranta]

Originally Posted by NewFan

I think he has 2 more years to fix this team.

More like 2 more years to put us deeper in the toilet. I think he should be fired. Like tomorrow.

[Mickey76]

I don’t hate the team he has put together, I mean in a very competitive league he built a playoff that certainly looked like a second round team 2 years in a row. But his head coach picks have been real head scratchers. If he has been on a leash (money wise or just his selections) for head coaches then I would keep him. If the coaches are all him then I would let him go.

[Calgary4LIfe]

If you look at the history of the Flames under Treliving's tenure, you can point at the '2nd best regular season team in the NHL' - but it looks more and more like that was an outlier.



I have never once even questioned replacing Treliving, but I think the time has come to really consider it.


Has he hired a coach that has given this organization stability and confidence? Absolutely not.


Has he turned this rebuilding squad into anything more than a bubble team? Absolutely not.


Has he used valuable assets in a rebuilding phase to accelerate the rebuild, perhaps misjudging where the team was? I think he has, though hindsight is 20/20 there.


Has he managed to plug the hole in goaltending? He hasn't.


He didn't build a team that is capable of going past the 1st round. The team he has built has some good pieces, but is otherwise an under-performing team. He doesn't seem to have his finger on the pulse of this team, so to speak.


He hasn't really inspired a lot of confidence. I also think the Tkachuk contract is going to haunt this team.



I am not screaming for him to be let go, but in a way, I would feel sort of relieved now if was let go. Once again, this is the very first post that I think I have ever made even questioning Treliving.


This team simply is not even close to contending, for whatever reason. At the end of the day, he is the guy in charge of making all the moves - player roster and coaching staff - not to mention professional scouting which has been an enormous disappointment. I think it is time to relieve him. For me anyway, it isn't about wanting to see blood - I just think he has simply not done a good enough job, and I won't be sad to see him go. I am not at the point where I really want to give him the boot - if he returns, that's fine with me. I just don't have the confidence in him any longer, and I would rather see a change, a fresh pair of eyes going over the roster and making the required decisions - especially where coaching is concerned.

[zamler]

If ever a thread needed a yes/no poll this is it.

[Dion]

Originally Posted by zamler

If ever a thread needed a yes/no poll this is it.

I vote yes .

[Five-hole]

Originally Posted by I_H8_Crawford

That was a fluke... A prolonged heater. That team got exposed for the pretenders they were in the final months of the season, and definitely in the playoffs.

This is a garbage franchise, that I would rank ahead of only Edmonton

Buffalo ... Florida ....

[Sandman]

Hey, I've said stupider things. Just trying anything I can think of to be positive.....

I still think we wait and see what he does this off-season.

[Classic_Sniper]

I guess?? Depends on who’s out there. But I honestly haven’t been enamored with Treliving’s time here. He’s great at his job, works exceptionally hard and is phenomenal with contracts. But the most important thing about his role is talent evaluation and he hasn’t succeeded in this role IMO.

His fingerprints are all over of the team so criticism is absolutely fair. From the awful awful UFA signings that set this team back significantly to the hit and miss trades. I’m just not sure I trust the pro scouting of this organization.

I mean, if Treliving is tasked to make the biggest trades of his career, do we end up with more Lazar’s, more Hamonic’s, more Hanifin’s, more Stone’s, more Mike Smith’s? The assets wasted could’ve instead went to the most impressive thing about this organization which is their amateur scouting department lead by Tod Button.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

They shouldn’t. And I say this as someone who has been one of his biggest defenders. But I think it’s time to admit that it’s not working. Bring in a fresh face and start over. Stock up on picks, make Chucky the captain, and see what you can do in 4 or 5 years.

What is Tkachuk, with 2 points in 6 playoff games, captain of?

The Flames fan club? He showed more in the suite today than on the ice this playoffs. Except for the fights, I guess

[NiklasSundblad]

The definitely shouldn't but they will. Embarking on a three month hiring process that resulted in Glenn Gulutzan is the example that most represents his critical flaw. He's an extremely talented and almost ruthless negotiator but that alone isn't not enough.

The coaching thing has bugged me for a long time. I think it's fairly telling that since and aside from D. Sutter, no one who has run our bench has ever been offered another shot at an NHL head coaching job after leaving the Flames.

[getbak]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Backstrom stood on his head in the final game of the season against Minnesota, pushing the Flames up the standings ahead of Winnipeg who went on to draft Laine.

Not that any of this could have been predicted, mind you. I just thought it was a funny anecdote that highlights how this team can never, ever catch a break.

That is incorrect.

All three of Winnipeg, Calgary, and Columbus won their final games that season, so the standings going into the final day of the season were the same as they were at the end of the night. Calgary finished 1 point ahead of Columbus and 1 point behind the Jets.

If the Flames had lost that game (and all the other butterflies flapped their wings exactly the same), they would have finished 1 point behind Columbus. If you assume the lottery would have played out the same, the Flames would have "won" the third overall pick.

Based on comments that have been made since by both Treliving and Burke, the Flames would have either chosen Tkachuk or Puljujarvi with the third pick.

So, either that final win was completely inconsequential and the Flames got the player they wanted anyway, or that win saved the Flames from picking Puljujarvi (and the Oilers likely would have taken Tkachuk 4th overall if Puljujarvi was off the board -- so double bullets dodged).

[Freeway]

Treliving's extension is 2020-21 through 2022-23, so don't expect him to get the boot.

[dino7c]

The next season is supposed to start in November (Exhibition games)

Can't fire the GM now

[browna]

I'm fine with Treliving. The next coach hire will be his last though, whether they coach last 2 years or 7.

He flubbed up with GG, and instead of firing him after the stick throw effect wore off, he knew he had BP. So, he hired BP and a tough set of circumstances with BP, and made the decision to keep Ward. I expect Ward to step back and Treliving bring in who he wants as his last shot.

Trades, while not going through all of him, he really must be kicking himself for the Jankowski one not going through last year because Jankowski has finished his value to nil. The one with the Wild and Zucker as well. Gustafsson I think was a good one this year, so I think he has the pulse of what the team need a, but other factors prohibit him from pulling off what he wants.

He has.tondecide if Hall is a target, and navigate the waters of Gaudreau. Butz he had time there this offseason, a coach is priority 1.

[dammage79]

I'm fine with Tree making the deep cuts to the core. What I am not okay with would be a second straight offseason of not doing anything. He has to punch this core in the stomach.

The one thing I am most afraid of right now with Treliving is sitting on his hands or not being able to get things done because no one wants to play ball.

For me, this is his final offseason to really put in the work to right this capsizing ship before it too late.

And ease up on the analytics. We don't need borg like detail, gimme some klingon in there too.

[bax]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Backstrom stood on his head in the final game of the season against Minnesota, pushing the Flames up the standings ahead of Winnipeg who went on to draft Laine.

Not that any of this could have been predicted, mind you. I just thought it was a funny anecdote that highlights how this team can never, ever catch a break.

Didn’t we catch a break through? I take Tkachuk over Laine all day

[ricardodw]

This is the most successful Flames season since 2004.

Let's fire the GM that made the Flames competitive?


This was the first time in Gio's career that he shook hands after a playoff series and gave condolences and got ready to play some more.

Right now the Flames have Tkachuk Dube, Mangiapane, Andersson, Valimaki Hanifin who are all under 24 years old.

They have at least 5 established NHL players that would be worth at least 1st round pick at the trade dead line.

It would be a total shock for the the Flames to come out of whatever happen this off season and go into next year not to be considered for a playoff team.

They are in a position where they are deep enough that they will lose an non-UFA player in the expansion draft.

[dirk diggler]

What about a guy like Hextall for GM, he drafted well and has set up the Flyers quite well. I dont believe he is working anywhere right now. Just a thought. I think Treliving is decent but his trading picks and free agent signings are awful.

[SportsJunky]

My guess is that Treliving stays. My wish is that Treliving replaces Ward with one of the big names floating around out there.

[Elkyiv]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

This is the most successful Flames season since 2004.

Let's fire the GM that made the Flames competitive?


This was the first time in Gio's career that he shook hands after a playoff series and gave condolences and got ready to play some more.

Right now the Flames have Tkachuk Dube, Mangiapane, Andersson, Valimaki Hanifin who are all under 24 years old.

They have at least 5 established NHL players that would be worth at least 1st round pick at the trade dead line.

It would be a total shock for the the Flames to come out of whatever happen this off season and go into next year not to be considered for a playoff team.

They are in a position where they are deep enough that they will lose an non-UFA player in the expansion draft.

I think you enjoy being contrarian just for the sake of it