[GDT] Game 6 - Flames vs Stars - 8:30 MST

[agulati]

What has ward’s statement been prior to previous games?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by agulati

What has ward’s statement been prior to previous games?

"He's a game time decision" to all games hes missed.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

So probably not then. ####ing hate hockey doublespeak.


I guess the savior is Jankowski again...

[Beninho]

It’s kinda crazy that this could be the last game for some big names on this team, could be a crazy off season if they don’t turn this around.

[kukkudo]

Well this is it! Get the W or pack your sh*t and yup some big name players might be wearing the Flaming C for the last time.

[Nelson]

Tkachuk in? We have a line that can match up well against the other team’s best with home ice. There’s hope.

Tkachuk out? Not very optimistic about the Flames’ chances.

[Cowboy89]

Being a Flames fan requires an enjoyment of the game of hockey at its roots and an enjoyment of the journey rather than the destination. This is a team that typically gives you a reasonable amount of regular season highlights however only gets past the first round once every 10-15 years. Therefore if your payoff for your fandom requires deep playoff pushes, and once in awhile capped off with a parade then this isn't your team and despite being born and raised in Western Canada and having no connection with the NE US you're favorite NFL and MLB teams are likely the Patriots, Red Sox and/or Yankees.

[djsFlames]

Someone inject Matthew with some super healing serum. Maybe tape some smelling salts to his nostrils.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Cowboy89

Being a Flames fan requires an enjoyment of the game of hockey at its roots and an enjoyment of the journey rather than the destination. This is a team that typically gives you a reasonable amount of regular season highlights however only gets past the first round once every 10-15 years. Therefore if your payoff for your fandom requires deep playoff pushes, and once in awhile capped off with a parade then this isn't your team and despite being born and raised in Western Canada and having no connection with the NE US you're favorite NFL and MLB teams are likely the Patriots, Red Sox and/or Yankees.

that's a bannin'

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Don't totally agree with that.

They played the same style against Winnipeg but Winnipeg wasn't Dallas.

Against the Jets they gave up the perimeter but were able to keep them from driving the play into the scoring areas, and Calgary had more time to transition to the break out when they won the puck battle against a lesser offensive and forechecking foe.

Against Dallas they set up the same way but then get run over for long shifts, get exhausted and eventually break down.

Agree on Dallas domination, but the game plan is the same with very different results.

The Jets were 53% CF% in the series against Calgary and middle of the pack of the 24 teams for shot attempts for per 60. But near the bottom in xGF and HDCF/60 because they couldn't penetrate the bubble and get shots from the inside.

To a certain extent the flames will do this against everyone because I think most teams do this. Collapse down to help out-man second chance opportunities and clear pucks, but I think Calgary had the same concern against the jets as they do against Dallas, but like you said, the jets were much worse offensively.

The Jets though looked the most dangerous when their skill players were able to make plays and passes around the perimeter, it's just that the jets are a bottom 3 offensive team in the league and then lost their two best offensive players on top of that, so they weren't ever able to actually accomplish much but throwing the puck at the net.

Not having Scheifele and Laine's big bomb made a big difference in whether breaking down a defensive structure actually made any difference. Calgary isn't nearly as bad in terms of skill as the Jets, but it's the same type of skill deficit.

Everyone on Dallas seems to be able to make a play, even if it ends up with a less than spectacular finish from guys like Comeau or Gurianov, those guys can make and take passes.

I think Vs the Jets they gave up the perimeter because the Jets perimeter play wasn't a threat.

Against Dallas I think they are giving up the perimeter play faster because the Stars are making the Flames pay when they don't.

On the play where Pavelski scores the game tying goal, it starts with the flames not collapsing fast enough and Klingberg splits the D and almost ties it up himself. The Flames are scrambling to keep the box tight now because holy #### the stars are absolutely feasting on the centre of the ice.

Reider has to respect that Klingberg is going to walk right in again, he's not scoring off slappers, he's walking right in with the puck and firing wristers and snap shots.

If I had a critique of the flames defensive strategy against the stars it would be that they aren't collapsing fast enough, getting routinely out-manned below the hash marks for second chance opportunities.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

To a certain extent the flames will do this against everyone because I think most teams do this. Collapse down to help out-man second chance opportunities and clear pucks, but I think Calgary had the same concern against the jets as they do against Dallas, but like you said, the jets were much worse offensively.

The Jets though looked the most dangerous when their skill players were able to make plays and passes around the perimeter, it's just that the jets are a bottom 3 offensive team in the league and then lost their two best offensive players on top of that, so they weren't ever able to actually accomplish much but throwing the puck at the net.

Not having Scheifele and Laine's big bomb made a big difference in whether breaking down a defensive structure actually made any difference. Calgary isn't nearly as bad in terms of skill as the Jets, but it's the same type of skill deficit.

Everyone on Dallas seems to be able to make a play, even if it ends up with a less than spectacular finish from guys like Comeau or Gurianov, those guys can make and take passes.

I think Vs the Jets they gave up the perimeter because the Jets perimeter play wasn't a threat.

Against Dallas I think they are giving up the perimeter play faster because the Stars are making the Flames pay when they don't.

On the play where Pavelski scores the game tying goal, it starts with the flames not collapsing fast enough and Klingberg splits the D and almost ties it up himself. The Flames are scrambling to keep the box tight now because holy #### the stars are absolutely feasting on the centre of the ice.

Reider has to respect that Klingberg is going to walk right in again, he's not scoring off slappers, he's walking right in with the puck and firing wristers and snap shots.

If I had a critique of the flames defensive strategy against the stars it would be that they aren't collapsing fast enough, getting routinely out-manned below the hash marks for second chance opportunities.

How many goals have Dallas scored off the rush in this series? Not many.

Their offense has been generated from their forecheck and from the point. Both of those things have been aided by the Flames' desire to collapse into a tight zone coverage.

It is exactly the wrong strategy for the way this series has played out, and there has been no adjuustment.

[CaptainCrunch]

Frack it, we're winning this game and the series.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

Frack it, we're winning this game and the series.

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

How many goals have Dallas scored off the rush in this series? Not many.

Their offense has been generated from their forecheck and from the point. Both of those things have been aided by the Flames' desire to collapse into a tight zone coverage.

It is exactly the wrong strategy for the way this series has played out, and there has been no adjuustment.

Don't ask me who mentioned it but there was a poster a few days ago that mentioned that goals are rarely scored off the rush in the playoffs. I think that's probably true. That applies to all teams I would think. Not just the Dallas Stars.

[TheIronMaiden]

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

Don't ask me who mentioned it but there was a poster a few days ago that mentioned that goals are rarely scored off the rush in the playoffs. I think that's probably true. That applies to all teams I would think. Not just the Dallas Stars.

Point stands - it's context.

Dallas' offense has been generated by the forecheck and from setting up the point. Both those things have been aided by the Flames' defensive approach of collapsing into a tight zone.

Also, the Flames' offensive success is generated from a fast transition through the neutral zone. But they have abandoned that and are playing a chip-out, dump-in style that suits them not at all.

[CroFlames]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

ComixZone right now:

Spoiler!

Gifs are on fire today.

EDIT: Found way better gif

[NewFan]

Our best chance is Khudobin. Shoot from every angle and every chance and look for rebounds. Please!!!

[TheIronMaiden]

I bought a 50/50 so that I can get in on this loss.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by CroFlames

ComixZone right now:

Spoiler!

Gifs are on fire today.

EDIT: Found way better gif

I think the Flames will come out hammering the puck on net and crashing the crease. We're going to expose Khudobin for what he is tonight.