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Old 08-19-2020, 03:16 PM   #2721
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Doubt Ottawa bites for a two year rental.

Buffalo doesn't need a LW.


New Jersey is probably the only fit there.
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:25 PM   #2722
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Doubt Ottawa bites for a two year rental.

Buffalo doesn't need a LW.


New Jersey is probably the only fit there.
Buffalo needs everything
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:28 PM   #2723
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Is he top 3 when Kucherov, Scheifele, Couturier, Zibanejad, Landeskog, Huberdeau are all in the mix?
I mean he was 4th in hart voting just last season ahead of McDavid...players go up and down. Pretty sure he has outscored all these guys except Kucherov.

I get people are down on him at the moment especially around here but he is certainly in the convo.
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:32 PM   #2724
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Really? The Flames haven’t even lost yet.

5/6 players you mentioned didn’t even make the playoffs or are on the verge of being eliminated in the first round. This fan base man
Yes really.
You're content being mid pack forever.
I'd rather be really bad of it increseses our chances of being really good (and not saying that's a guarantee either).

Difference of philosophy really, and that's ok. Fans are allowed to disagree.
Decisions that management have to make.

I also think we have enough positive pieces that we could rebuild fast and not be horrible for too long.
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:37 PM   #2725
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Most "redraft" articles have Gaudreau anywhere from 1-5

hockeynews, hockey writers, nhl.com

Before this past year he was a guaranteed 1-2 on most lists...he slipped to 4 or 5 on a couple this season which is fair. I'm fine with trading him just don't make a bad deal though. He will put up 100+ in the right situation IMO. (with a center who can drive play)
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Old 08-19-2020, 03:46 PM   #2726
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Most "redraft" articles have Gaudreau anywhere from 1-5

hockeynews, hockey writers, nhl.com

Before this past year he was a guaranteed 1-2 on most lists...he slipped to 4 or 5 on a couple this season which is fair. I'm fine with trading him just don't make a bad deal though. He will put up 100+ in the right situation IMO. (with a center who can drive play)
I have always been on the trade Johnny train. However this post season is making me think maybe a different centre is what Johnny needs. Not saying Monny isnt great, but they have clearly been figured out and something needs a change. What type of center do you think Johnny needs and how do the flames get one?
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I have always been on the trade Johnny train. However this post season is making me think maybe a different centre is what Johnny needs. Not saying Monny isnt great, but they have clearly been figured out and something needs a change. What type of center do you think Johnny needs and how do the flames get one?
Eichel or Mackinnon.

Build a time machine, and formulate a plan for getting 1OA in 2013 or 2OA in 2015.

Barzal would also be a good C for Johnny. The answer there is make him a 7 years $75-80 million offer sheet this off season that hopefully the Isles don't match.
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Point's contract only goes to 2023. Could be an option down the road.
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Old 08-19-2020, 04:08 PM   #2729
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What's funny is it would have worked in Calgary's favor to either have had the season cancelled, or lose out to the Jets in the play in.

At least then you could look at Gaudreau and say "well it was an off year" if season was cancelled, or "takes him a few games to get going which he didnt have" if it was play-in.

Now the whole world can see he's useless for the final weeks of the season and the playoffs.
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Point's contract only goes to 2023. Could be an option down the road.
What? That's six years from...you can't plan that far ahe...

wait..

...No...

....no....

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What? That's six years from...you can't plan that far ahe...

wait..

...No...

....no....

I did this exact thing with the Gio contract the other day. How has time gone by so quickly the last few years...
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I did this exact thing with the Gio contract the other day. How has time gone by so quickly the last few years...
Johnny Gaudreau is 27.

Sean Monahan is about to hit 200 goals scored.

Mark Giordano is almost 37 and we traded Jarome Iginla 7 years ago.



Connor McDavid has been in the league for 5 full seasons and the Oilers have accomplished nothing.

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Gaudreau is also top 3 in a re-draft
Not for me. I would take Kucherov, Landeskog, Scheifele, Huberdeau, Klefbom, Couturier, Zib all ahead of him for sure.
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Not for me. I would take Kucherov, Landeskog, Scheifele, Huberdeau, Klefbom, Couturier, Zib all ahead of him for sure.
Some are debatable, obviously.

But most people around the league are taking Johnny before Landeskog or Huberdeau.

And Klefbom? He's a #3 defenseman. Even Oiler fans think he is a #3 defenseman. Debating this stuff is all opinion, but that opinion is just wrong.
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Klefbom is definitely a baffling inclusion on that list. Not even in the same stratosphere as the other players listed.
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Klefbom?

Eeeeeew...
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We all get you don't like Gaudreau but don't be insult your own intelligence.
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and on a not junk team, he may very well have been developed into one. He has all the tools, but the trash coaches he had kicked him around the line-up and killed his confidence. Nothing is a certainty, but this team rushed Bennett and fed him to the wolves - just like the Oilers do with their prospects. Thankfully Tree and the gang seems to have remedied this in recent years for other players.
Have a hard time agreeing with this.

Bennett’s flaws don’t not seem to be related to what coach he had or who he played with. Seems clear to me Bennett’s game was mired in bad vision, poor turnovers, ill advised toe drags, poor penalties, and an inability to grasp how he could be an effective NHLer game in game out. Hopefully what we have seen over the past 3-4 weeks is an indication that he has finally figured it out. It seems encouraging.

That said, This narrative that Bennett had his head held below the water and it’s everyone else’s fault is pretty flimsy. how would that explain the very relatable success of all the other players developed in and around the same time as Bennett? Why did Bennett not reach his potential while Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Anderson reached theirs? What about Dubé, Mangiapane, Valamaki who look to reach or exceed theirs? They all played under the same sh#tty coaches and same sh#tty development system. Did the Flames just not like him? Doubtful, otherwise he would be gone by now. Pretty sure they like him and what they think he can bring.
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Have a hard time agreeing with this.

Bennett’s flaws don’t not seem to be related to what coach he had or who he played with. Seems clear to me Bennett’s game was mired in bad vision, poor turnovers, ill advised toe drags, poor penalties, and an inability to grasp how he could be an effective NHLer game in game out. Hopefully what we have seen over the past 3-4 weeks is an indication that he has finally figured it out. It seems encouraging.

That said, This narrative that Bennett had his head held below the water and it’s everyone else’s fault is pretty flimsy. how would that explain the very relatable success of all the other players developed in and around the same time as Bennett? Why did Bennett not reach his potential while Monahan, Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Anderson reached theirs? What about Dubé, Mangiapane, Valamaki who look to reach or exceed theirs? They all played under the same sh#tty coaches and same sh#tty development system. Did the Flames just not like him? Doubtful, otherwise he would be gone by now. Pretty sure they like him and what they think he can bring.
Monahan's first two years were with Hartley. Was played with decent veterans, and was then paired with Johnny - which helped he and Johnny.

Tkachuk was stapled to Backlund.

Dube, Andersson and Mangiapane both got full Jr. careers and then AHL development.

Sam Bennett missed almost his entire Draft+1 year due to injury, then got dropped into the playoffs and performed well. Then he spent 1 year with Backlund then got dealt Brouwer, Chiasson, Versteeg, Jagr, Jankowski and lovely James Neal. He was also kicked all over the line-up. No Jr. development after his draft, no AHL development time, and then fed to the wolves after 1 good NHL season.

Yes, Bennett could have handled the discipline issues better. I wish he would have, but the card the Flames dealt his development was that of a mickey mouse organization. Thankfully Tree seems to have largely resolved that development process by forcing players through a patient development process.

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