2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Roof-Daddy]

I remember back in 2013 after the Iggy/Bouwmeester trades, and then getting spanked by the oiler 4-1 and 8-2, thinking "well, at least we'll probably get Mackinnon".

Alas, this team doesn't win lotteries or lose enough during a rebuild to get a superstar 1C

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Oilers made playoffs once in the last six years....well, once in the last 14 years actually.

Right - I mistakenly counted this year.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 868904

You are not getting Couturier for Gaudreau unless you are adding Tkachuk.

Some Philly fans might want the hometown boy but do you really think Johnny is a Flyer type? Let alone trading Flyer types like Konecny or Couturier for him? Gaudreau is also not an AV type of player.

I’d be shocked if the Flyers were even interested in Gaudreau let alone paying top dollar for him.

Disagree. It's not that unbelievable to me. I've already stated why.

And apparently an owners relative said differently. Maybe it's horse ####, maybe it isn't. Seems like a weird and random thing to make up out of thin air though.

Whatever, no skin off my nuts.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by 868904

You are not getting Couturier for Gaudreau unless you are adding Tkachuk.

Some Philly fans might want the hometown boy but do you really think Johnny is a Flyer type? Let alone trading Flyer types like Konecny or Couturier for him? Gaudreau is also not an AV type of player.

I’d be shocked if the Flyers were even interested in Gaudreau let alone paying top dollar for him.

I don't see them moving Couturier or Konecny for him at this point but I do see them being very interested in Gaudreau and a big reason is for marketing.

Remember that the Flyers are owned by Comcast and I think they see Gaudreau as a guy that sells in that market. He's a guy they've put on billboards when the Flames visit Philadelphia, and a guy that they actively promote on TV when the Flames game is coming up.

I recall Al Morganti talking on the Fan960 about how much they love Gaudreau in Philly and the surrounding area and that kids/fans in the area are nuts about him.

So yeah I think the team could have a lot of interest in him, even if he doesn't fit their on ice style. Plus when you have a team like Philly that's bigger and quick as a whole you are less worried about a smaller guy like Gaudreau.

I have no doubts that Gaudreau is a 90+ point, impact player again in Philly, just since they have the other pieces to protect his weaknesses. My worry is that I'm not sure Gaudreau hits those heights over the next year in Calgary, and I don't see him staying here as a UFA anyways.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Yeah but does that matter when their first round picks blow Calgary's out of the water and neither team accomplishes much of anything regardless?

That's what I'm saying. For all the credit Calgary gets for their depth picks turning out it doesn't translate to anything because they don't make or land with their high picks.

For all the consternation about the oilers drafting top 5, they have two of the best forwards in the whole NHL to show for it.

Maybe that's a strategy to Flames should consider adding to their current work at drafting well in later rounds.

What "high" picks? They picked top 5 twice, and never higher than 4th. Edmonton had 4 number ones, the golden ticket that's supposed to practically guarantee a franchise player. Plus a number 3 and a number 4. They are 2.5 for 6 in those picks. Calgary has Tkachuk (great) and Bennett (who may yet end up equal to RNH in contribution).

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by The Yen Man

But that's not a realistic strategy. How would the Flames even plan to be able to draft a generational player? McDavid totally fell into their lap, and they're still a worse team than Calgary right now. All I'm saying is, Flames are still a better built team than the Oilers. We just don't have that one piece that's the hardest to acquire.

I'm not saying there needs to be changes if the Flames bow out in the first round again. All I'm saying is, people comparing our team to the Oilers are just way out to lunch.

It's not realistic to pick 1st overall every year, but look at the Canucks as an example.

They've had awful draft lottery luck, but they've picked well in the top 10 range over the last 5 years (short of Juolevi over Tkachuk) and have players like Pettersson and Hughes to show for it. Each player will likely compete in the top 10 for their respective positions for the next 10 years.

We don't have any of those pieces in our organization. You don't need a generational talent for this to be a realistic strategy, but the only way to get these kinds of players with any consistency is through the draft.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

It's not realistic to pick 1st overall every year, but look at the Canucks as an example.

They've had awful draft lottery luck, but they've picked well in the top 10 range over the last 5 years and have players like Petterson and Hughes to show for it. Each player will likely compete as top 10 at their positions for the next 10 years.

We don't any of those pieces in our organization. You don't need a generational talent for this to be a realistic strategy, but the only way to get these kinds of players with any consistency is through the draft.

Yeah, we laughed at the nucks when they kept losing draft lotteries and getting pushed down, but now they have Petterson and Hughes to show for it. Two pieces we don't have, a 21 year old #1C and a 20 year old #1D.

Funny how luck works sometimes. You think it's good luck, turns out not so good after all. We'd be much better off if they had Hischier or Patrick right about now IMO.

Meanwhile, Heiskenen is beating our asses in for the Stars right now after they jumped like what...10 spots to get him in that draft?

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

I don't see them moving Couturier or Konecny for him at this point but I do see them being very interested in Gaudreau and a big reason is for marketing.

Remember that the Flyers are owned by Comcast and I think they see Gaudreau as a guy that sells in that market. He's a guy they've put on billboards when the Flames visit Philadelphia, and a guy that they actively promote on TV when the Flames game is coming up.

I recall Al Morganti talking on the Fan960 about how much they love Gaudreau in Philly and the surrounding area and that kids/fans in the area are nuts about him.

So yeah I think the team could have a lot of interest in him, even if he doesn't fit their on ice style. Plus when you have a team like Philly that's bigger and quick as a whole you are less worried about a smaller guy like Gaudreau.

I have no doubts that Gaudreau is a 90+ point, impact player again in Philly, just since they have the other pieces to protect his weaknesses. My worry is that I'm not sure Gaudreau hits those heights over the next year in Calgary, and I don't see him staying here as a UFA anyways.

I think the marketing concept is overrated for Philly.

They are close to selling out their stadium each night. Winning keeps the fans coming.

I doubt that Johnny hits 90 points in Philly because they like their players playing a complete game. He wouldn’t be getting the same premium ice theme there, he’d have to earn it.


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[1qqaaz]

I believe that out of the last 20 cup winning teams, only the 2008 Detroit Redwings and 2001 Avalanche had no players that were 1st, 2nd, or 3rd overall picks.

Even Vancouver doesn't look to promising in this sense.

[Flash Walken]

The way you make Gaudreau as valuable as possible is retaining salary in a trade.

Philly not as interested in Gaudreau at 6.75 as they are for Gaudreau at 3.5

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think the marketing concept is overrated for Philly.

They are close to selling out their stadium each night. Winning keeps the fans coming.

I doubt that Johnny hits 90 points in Philly because they like their players playing a complete game. He wouldn’t be getting the same premium ice theme there, he’d have to earn it.


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It's not the ticket sales for them as much as it would be the TV viewership.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

I believe that out of the last 20 cup winning teams, only the 2008 Detroit Redwings and 2001 Avalanche had no players that were 1st, 2nd, or 3rd overall picks.

Even Vancouver doesn't look to promising in this sense.

Yeah but in a re-draft both Hughes and Petterson are probably top 3. Petterson is probably #1

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

The way you make Gaudreau as valuable as possible is retaining salary in a trade.

Philly not as interested in Gaudreau at 6.75 as they are for Gaudreau at 3.5

This is actually an underrated suggestion. I don't know if I would take that much off, but holding 1.75M for two years doesn't break the bank, and Johnny at 5M/2Y, you're going to get a ridiculous return.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

This is actually an underrated suggestion. I don't know if I would take that much off, but holding 1.75M for two years doesn't break the bank, and Johnny at 5M/2Y, you're going to get a ridiculous return.

a 1st round pick is valued at roughly 3 million, so retaining 6 million total over the remaining 2 years of his deal should yield 2 additional first round draft picks on top of the regular return you'd expect from dealing gaudreau.

If you retain salary on Gaudreau and take back a major cap penalty in the process you can really accumulate assets quickly and use that retention and cap dumps to meet the floor while you have new assets on ELCs playing through the lineup.

One of the things that made Brayden Schenn worth two firsts was taking back Lehtera's contract.

The flames were reportedly ready to take on the cap hits of Ribeiro or Cam Ward in exchange for 1st round picks so this isn't foreign to the organization if they want to increase they chances of having a rebuild actually being successful.

The Flames paid 2.6 million this year to Brouwer and Stone (3.3 if you consider them re-signing stone and him not playing anyway), so at least the organization would be getting some of actual use from retaining 3 million in salary instead of just lighting it on fire to get out of a couple of self-inflicted gunshot wounds.

[Poe969]

Draft picks are lottery tickets but if you're getting a top 3 pick, you're getting a building block for your franchise (unless you're the oilers). How can the Flames get a top pick? They can't hope their luck comes through because...well, Flames. Can they trade for a top 3-5 pick? Maybe but it'll cost a "core" piece of the team. Is it worth trading a core piece for a draft pick? If you can get a top 3 pick in a trade, I think you should do it. The problem with that would be what it would cost, you're going to give up one of your best assets. I think you should do that but if you go that route, you need to go all the way and scorch the earth. You trade away everyone with high value and get good young assets which means your team is going to suck for a bit but that might not be too bad because you're getting high end picks.

IF a team makes a top 3 pick available, make the trade...and then continue to tear it down from there. If the sens would give up #3 + for Tkachuck, you do it IMO but only if you know you can trade the other guys too. Monahan to the sabres or rangers? There would be lots of teams who would trade for him, he may not be an elite first line C but I would say he's a top 3 "second line" C in the league. Whoever trades for him would have to give up a lot though. I think we've talked enough about where Johnny could go; NJ, Buff, Phi, NYR, NYI and a slew of other teams. I think Gio still has some value to teams who want a top pairing "ish" defender to mentor their blue line. At that point, you try to convince Backlund to waive his NTC and chase a cup. Lindholm still has value to the team unless a team really gives up a lot for him but you'd have to keep some good players around. I would keep the young D the team has in hopes they mature and improve alone with the young pieces. When it comes to free agents, if you're going to tear it down, there's no point chasing big names. The team would be better off to take big contracts from other teams in hopes they get good compensation.

All of this is just BS talk because it'll never happen. Ownership seems to want to make the playoffs at any cost so instead of trading the current core for good young pieces, they'll give up futures for average pieces and keep spinning their tires.

[VladtheImpaler]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

I know everyone is angry at the team right now, and rightly so, and yes, there are serious problems, but trying to compare us to the Oilers is pretty ridiculous.

The Flames have underachieved, and been a bottom-half franchise for some time.

The Oilers have been HISTORICALLY bad. As in, you have to look at other sports to try and find comparisons bad. And you still can't.

It's a Bengals/Browns situation - Alberta is Ohio.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Yeah but in a re-draft both Hughes and Petterson are probably top 3. Petterson is probably #1

Gaudreau is also top 3 in a re-draft

[savardandjokinen]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Gaudreau is also top 3 in a re-draft

Is he top 3 when Kucherov, Scheifele, Couturier, Zibanejad, Landeskog, Huberdeau are all in the mix?

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by savardandjokinen

Is he top 3 when Kucherov, Scheifele, Couturier, Zibanejad, Landeskog, Huberdeau are all in the mix?

John Gibson

[MisterJoji]

What about a trade for Johnny at the draft for 5-10 overall. Vancouver traded Schneider who had a similar value for 9th overall which became Bo Horvat, I’m sure Vancouver fans would do this trade all day everyday. I know it’s still a bit of a risky crapshoot but could turnout well.

Ottawa has the 3rd and 5th pick and 7+ million in cap space and they need a marketable player with their poor attendance. 5th overall for
Johnny?

Devils have Hischier and Hughes down the middle, Gaudreau would fit nicely beside either. NJ is where he grew up and they have almost 9 million in cap space. 7th overall for Johnny.

Buffalo might salivate at the idea of Gaudreau on Eichels wing and Buffalo has poor history with some of their player development. Johnny is more of a sure thing. Buffalo is tight to the cap (that was very surprising to me, given how much they suck) so other players/retention would need to be involved. 8th overall for Johnny?

Any other teams picking 9th or later don’t seem to be a great fit.