2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Flash Walken]

the oilers problems are exactly the same as the Flames:

Misapplication of cap resources and a combination of bad trades and drafting.

They even mirror each other in draft picks:

in 2014 each team drafted 6 times and walked away with one player.

in 2015 the oilers drafted 6 times and the flames drafted 5 times. The Flames walked away with 3 players and the oilers walked away with 4 and traded one of them (Marino) away.

in 2016 each team made 9 draft selections, the oilers walked away with one player, the flames walked away with 3 and traded one of them (Fox) away.

in 2017 the Flames drafted 5 times and the oilers drafted 7 times and each team walked away with one player.

Tkachuk is a better player than Pujularvi and Draisaitl is a better player than Bennett.

In the last 6 years the Flames have drafted 35 times total.

in the last 6 years the Oilers have drafted 39 times total.

In the last 6 years the Flames have drafted 10 times in the first 2 rounds

in the last 6 years the Oilers have drafted 10 times in the first 2 rounds.

In the last 6 years each team has won just a single playoff round.

If you think the Oilers suck, boy do I have some bad news for you.

[bax]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I'd trade making the playoffs to have a Petterson, Quinn Houghes, Aho, Matthews, McKinnon, McDavid.

Oilers are just 1 example and a team who did it wrong.
There are many other teams getting superstar talent through the draft who will surpass the Flames quickly (if they haven't already).

I'm tired of being meh for 3 decades

Really? The Flames haven’t even lost yet.

5/6 players you mentioned didn’t even make the playoffs or are on the verge of being eliminated in the first round. This fan base man

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

Zibnajed is perhaps a more recent example of a guy being traded before hitting his potential

It's closer, though he was 20gs/46pts in year three and 21/51 the next before being traded. His progression has been pretty steady. This year was an explosion and you have to wonder how much is due to Panarin coming in.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

If you think the Oilers suck, boy do I have some bad news for you.

The FW 2020 Reunion Tour is still rolling and still dropping truth bombs

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Monahan for Ristolinen

Gaudreau, Kylington for Couturier, Ghost, 2nd

I doubt either deal was that close to happening but I also trust that both Husky and Damage did not fabricate those and heard them from legit sources. Likely more to each deal but funny how one looks horrible and the other looks amazing.

I would be shocked if Monahan is traded. He is our top C and we are not upgrading at that position by moving him most likely. We also hear about how Monahan played a huge role in helping Lucic regain his confidence this year. He is a leader on this team no doubt.

Yeah I was thinking about those two rumored deals, and how it would leave Hanifin as the odd man out on D probably. Hanifin for Domi.

Hall - Couturier - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Domi - Mangiapane
Dube - Backlund - Bennett
Lucic - Ryan - XXXX

Giordano - Andersson
Ghost - Ristolainen
Valimaki - XXXX

Retooled for sure.

Is it any better? Not so sure.

[Vinny01]

Way to generalize that to push a narrative Flash. A pick is a pick don’t matter where they make it.

Oilers have picked top 10 12 of the last 14 drafts. Flames picked top 10 3 times. Oilers picked 1st 4 years, flames picked no higher than 4th. Draisaitl was picked before Bennett you make it sound like the Flames missed on that one?

5 years ago the oipers picked the best player of this generation, the Flames top player was a 4th round pick.

Flames worst trade was likely futures for Hamonic where the Oilers trades futures for a AHL player and traded a top line forward for a second pair D

Let’s just say they made bad trades and made the same amount of picks so I can drag the Flames down to the Pilers level of horrendous management.

Flames haven’t been run perfectly but not even close to buying your narrative they have been as bad as the Oilers.

[TheScorpion]

Monahan for Ristolainen is a great big-picture move.

As in, instead of having a player whose deficiencies are relatively small and easy to ignore, we can have a player whose faults take up the entire big picture!

[Jason14h]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Way to generalize that to push a narrative Flash. A pick is a pick don’t matter where they make it.

Oilers have picked top 10 12 of the last 14 drafts. Flames picked top 10 3 times. Oilers picked 1st 4 years, flames picked no higher than 4th. Draisaitl was picked before Bennett you make it sound like the Flames missed on that one?

5 years ago the oipers picked the best player of this generation, the Flames top player was a 4th round pick.

Flames worst trade was likely futures for Hamonic where the Oilers trades futures for a AHL player and traded a top line forward for a second pair D

Let’s just say they made bad trades and made the same amount of picks so I can drag the Flames down to the Pilers level of horrendous management.

Flames haven’t been run perfectly but not even close to buying your narrative they have been as bad as the Oilers.

This reminds me of the “Canadian health care system isn’t as bad as the states”

We are not as bad as the Oilers (unless playoff success is the measure.....) but we are worst then almost everyone else

[Roof-Daddy]

Yeah, the Flames traded a 1st and two 2nds for Hamilton
The oilers traded a 1st and a 2nd at the same draft for Griffin Reinhart.

Plus like Vinny pointed out, all the squandered top 5 and 10 picks.

If the Flames had botched that I'd be even more POed than I already am with them.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Way to generalize that to push a narrative Flash. A pick is a pick don’t matter where they make it.

Oilers have picked top 10 12 of the last 14 drafts. Flames picked top 10 3 times. Oilers picked 1st 4 years, flames picked no higher than 4th. Draisaitl was picked before Bennett you make it sound like the Flames missed on that one?

5 years ago the oipers picked the best player of this generation, the Flames top player was a 4th round pick.

Flames worst trade was likely futures for Hamonic where the Oilers trades futures for a AHL player and traded a top line forward for a second pair D

Let’s just say they made bad trades and made the same amount of picks so I can drag the Flames down to the Pilers level of horrendous management.

Flames haven’t been run perfectly but not even close to buying your narrative they have been as bad as the Oilers.

I'm one of the furthest from praising the oilers, and the last 20 years have been absolutely pathetic by them, no doubt. Certainly they compete with the cleveland browns as the worst ever sports franchise.
That being said, our relative lack of "success" in the form of playoff victories makes the flames general less suckage kind of moot. yeah, we have sucked less. But we still suck.

[Enoch Root]

Monahan for Ristolainen is the worst proposal in this thread is some time. And that is really saying something.

[AustinL_NHL]

The Flames have advanced past the 1st round only 2 times since 1989 and their playoff record during that time period is 44-65.

On top of that, the Flames and Golden Knights (who are only in their third NHL season) are the only two NHL franchises to never have a top 3 pick in the NHL draft. Hell, before Bennett, the highest the Flames had ever picked was 6th overall.

Look where all those non-lottery picks have gotten them: stuck in a time-loop of total mediocrity where they're not good enough to win, but also not bad enough to draft in an impactful spot.

I don't blame fans for finally being ready for a complete teardown to see what the Flames could do with some high draft picks for once, but I also have no problem retooling and having a shakeup offseason by trading Gaudreau/Monahan while bringing in Hall to see what the "new core" could do.

[Ashasx]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Yeah, the Flames traded a 1st and two 2nds for Hamilton
The oilers traded a 1st and a 2nd at the same draft for Griffin Reinhart.

Plus like Vinny pointed out, all the squandered top 5 and 10 picks.

If the Flames had botched that I'd be even more POed than I already am with them.

To be fair, we pretty much botched it two seasons later trading a 1st and two 2nds for Hamonic.

[Funkhouser]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

the oilers problems are exactly the same as the Flames:

If you think the Oilers suck, boy do I have some bad news for you.

May I refer you to this?
https://forum.calgarypuck.com/showthread.php?t=179789

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Monahan for Ristolainen is the worst proposal in this thread is some time. And that is really saying something.

I hate to say it but that's probably what he's worth. Be upset that this is where we're at, not that there are people pointing it out.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

To be fair, we pretty much botched it two seasons later trading a 1st and two 2nds for Hamonic.

Huge misstep for sure, but at least Hamonic was/is an NHL defenseman. Reinhart played 29 NHL games for the oilers and is now in the KHL.

What a fleecing. The Isles took Barzal with that pick. BARZAL! lol

[SuperMatt18]

Since 2015 the Flames have actually been in pretty good at identifying talent in the draft.

Issue is that the Elliott, Smith, and Hamonic trades ate into all of our picks in the top 2 rounds, but they've done good with the picks they've had.

It's why I'd be okay with shedding some pieces for picks this year, we need to give our scouts the ammo to actually make some shrewd picks.

Identify your core pieces that are protected in the expansion draft (7 forwards, 3 dmen) and trade anyone outside that grouping for picks or prospects that are expansion exempt.

[Dragomir]

Alberta is cursed, neither team can do anything right. Maybe this is karma for both teams being dominant in the 80’s?

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

the oilers problems are exactly the same as the Flames:

Misapplication of cap resources and a combination of bad trades and drafting.

They even mirror each other in draft picks:

in 2014 each team drafted 6 times and walked away with one player.

in 2015 the oilers drafted 6 times and the flames drafted 5 times. The Flames walked away with 3 players and the oilers walked away with 4 and traded one of them (Marino) away.

in 2016 each team made 9 draft selections, the oilers walked away with one player, the flames walked away with 3 and traded one of them (Fox) away.

in 2017 the Flames drafted 5 times and the oilers drafted 7 times and each team walked away with one player.

Tkachuk is a better player than Pujularvi and Draisaitl is a better player than Bennett.

In the last 6 years the Flames have drafted 35 times total.

in the last 6 years the Oilers have drafted 39 times total.

In the last 6 years the Flames have drafted 10 times in the first 2 rounds

in the last 6 years the Oilers have drafted 10 times in the first 2 rounds.

In the last 6 years each team has won just a single playoff round.

If you think the Oilers suck, boy do I have some bad news for you.

They may have some similarities but you are ignoring a few things.

a. The Oilers have had 4 first overalls, plus a 3rd and a 4th. Calgary has had only 3 top 10 picks, none higher than 4th. Two of those have worked out pretty well.

b. Tkachuk is better than Puljujarvi and was picked after him whereas Draisatl is better than Bennett but was picked before him, so I'm not sure what the argument is there.

c. The Oil have made the POs 2 of 6 years. The Flames did it 4 of 6.

d. The Flames have been below .500 once in 6 years. The Oilers have been below 4 times.

[djsFlames]

No, the flames defense (team and blue line) and goaltending is about a full tier ahead of the oilers. Thats why they're in the playoffs. Only part of a competitive team the oilers have secured is top end production.

Put McDavid on the Flames and they're waiting for their second round opponent right now.