2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Gazza

Didn't Gaudreau take everything connected to the Flames off from his social media at the deadline? Not saying I believe this, but something may have been brewing around him.

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That Gustaffson deal was also held up for a long while before it was official.

It makes more sense to me if the Flames were including their 1st in the deal otherwise there is another missing piece.

[Roof-Daddy]

Like I said, I don't think that rumor is that crazy and here is why:

1. Couturier is an awesome two way player yes, but let's not get carried away here. A lot of his offense comes from being the meat in a Giroux/Voracek sandwich for the last few years. Good on him for capitalizing on it, but he's not an elite offensive talent. Plus they have Giroux who could slide back to 1st line C with Johnny and Voracek on his wings.

2. As down as we all are on JG right now, he's still Johnny Gaudreau. Point per game average over the last 5 seasons and 99 points last year. Plus the one team in the league not worried about re-signing him is the Flyers.

3. They would have dumped the Ghost contract. They are paying him top 4 money and he's slipped to 5th or 6th on their depth chart with three years left still, but on the flip side he brings something the Flames sorely lack, and that's a Dman who can produce offense and QB a PP, and with all the Flames UFAs on D this off season they have room for him. Plus, maybe they use him for a season and then expose him in the ED after they've had a look at Valimaki & Mackey.

Anyways, maybe it's BS, but I don't know why Husky would do that, he's been here a long time and I don't remember any other times he's tried to feed us a line.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by Nelson

I don’t believe it. But I agree with Bonded. If that trade was actually on the table but Treliving couldn’t make the money work, fire him now. Couturier is head and shoulders more valuable that Gaudreau.

Again, why would Philadelphia make that trade? They are not stupid. Couturier is head and shoulders more valuable.

Are we now judging Treliving on ridiculous imaginary trades?

[RedHawk12]

Teams make trades that are headscratchers all the time and a trade like this wouldn't even be close to a headscratcher. Gaudreau has obvious connections with the Flyers. It's not completely unreasonable to think they'd be willing to give up Couturier to bring home a point-per-game local star player.

If we were also to get Ghost, it makes sense why the Gustaffson deal was done so late in the day as they take up basically the same role. Add to the fact that Tre was rumored to be working the phones hard that day, it's reasonable to think that he spent most of the day trying to iron that trade out, ultimately didn't get it done, and went with Plan B with Gustafsson and Forbort.

That would be a solid return for Johnny. Like I said, I'm hoping there's some truth to it and we revisit in the offseason.

[RedHawk12]

Btw I don't know about you guys but the Gustafsson and Forbort trades just scream "Plan B" to me. Like we didn't get what we set out to get so let's just do something to beef up our team.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Btw I don't know about you guys but the Gustafsson and Forbort trades just scream "Plan B" to me. Like we didn't get what we set out to get so let's just do something to beef up our team.

Treliving literally said it was plan B. They wanted FWs at the deadline. But Gio and Hammer went down at the worst time. It was totally plan B.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Btw I don't know about you guys but the Gustafsson and Forbort trades just scream "Plan B" to me. Like we didn't get what we set out to get so let's just do something to beef up our team.

They were reactionary (to the injuries of Gio and Ham), and were definitely “Plan B”. “Plan A” was Taylor Hall. We know Tree was in on it.

...wasting a 3rd and a 4th round pick on 17-20 games of bottom pair defencemen. That’s bad management.

[powderjunkie]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

Ask yourself how how often you notice him though. He’s invisible too often for my liking. I’ve often asked myself how goals he’d score without Gaudreau creating and dishing to him in front of the net and this series has shown me that he likely wouldn’t.

The Stars have completely and easily shut down Gaudreau and have taken away his time and space. So if Gaudreau ends up getting traded (very likely), where will Monahan get his goals? He’s not flying up the middle past the defender and putting one top corner. He’s not losing himself in coverage and unleashing a one time clapper. He’s not going end to end deking everyone out and undressing the goaltender. He’s not getting dirty in front of the net and tipping in pucks like Tkachuk can.

He is what he is. He’s en elite finisher from in and around the crease. He can elevate the puck in tight. He can score in the slot when he has space. All this requires a high end playmaker and if the Flames trade that guy, I’d rather the Flames trade Monahan too to maximize his value.

In the marriage of Gaudreau-Monahan, who do you think has done more of the compromising/adapting to make the partnership work?

Originally Posted by Husky

Family member of one of the owners.

-worthy source.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by RedHawk12

Teams make trades that are headscratchers all the time and a trade like this wouldn't even be close to a headscratcher. Gaudreau has obvious connections with the Flyers. It's not completely unreasonable to think they'd be willing to give up Couturier to bring home a point-per-game local star player.

If we were also to get Ghost, it makes sense why the Gustaffson deal was done so late in the day as they take up basically the same role. Add to the fact that Tre was rumored to be working the phones hard that day, it's reasonable to think that he spent most of the day trying to iron that trade out, ultimately didn't get it done, and went with Plan B with Gustafsson and Forbort.

That would be a solid return for Johnny. Like I said, I'm hoping there's some truth to it and we revisit in the offseason.

Yes, we know Gaudreau is from across the river In NJ and it would be a cute story to bring him in to play for the home town team. Match made in heaven, right? What could go wrong?

But why on earth would any GM with two brain cells to rub together trade a legitimate 1C who looks to be an annual Selke candidate near point per game player who plays in all situations, is younger and makes less for a one dimensional winger who seems to wilt when games matter most.

Not only that, why would a team that is just realizing their potential do something so drastic that it could completely undermine years of developing their roster? Couturier is undeniably part of their core and will play a pivotal role on their team as their 1C and they should be a cup contender for the foreseeable future. Trading Couturier for JG wouldn’t be a head scratching, it would be downright stupid.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

They were reactionary (to the injuries of Gio and Ham), and were definitely “Plan B”. “Plan A” was Taylor Hall. We know Tree was in on it.

...wasting a 3rd and a 4th round pick on 17-20 games of bottom pair defencemen. That’s bad management.

Disagree.

Mid round picks aren’t nearly as valuable as you are implying. If those trades get you in the playoffs, I would think any GM would make those moves.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If the Caps lose out and look to make some changes, what about something around Gaudreau for Tom Wilson?

Not sure what else the Caps would add, if anything, but Wilson brings a top six RHS and size and snarl. He's still just 26 too, and signed long term.

I would love to get him on our team, he's a presence out there. I would love to also get McMichael or Vrana, but they would be hard to pry away from them.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Disagree.

Mid round picks aren’t nearly as valuable as you are implying. If those trades get you in the playoffs, I would think any GM would make those moves.

Tree does them year in and year out and our prospect base is quite bad. I don't see the value in this team trying to squeak into the playoffs. It very clearly hasn't helped the team move forward in any meaningful way.

So yeah, most GMs are incredibly short sighted and this organization very clearly is short sighted by design, so it makes sense.

[Sandman]

I know the Flyers would love to rid themselves of Ghost and his contract, and lord knows they would have to pay another team a hefty premium to take him off thier hands, but they can't be desperate enough to include a C like Couts-even if it's in a trade for Gaudreau.
I'm a huge supporter of Tre-HUGE. But if this trade came across his desk, and he failed to consumate it-I would say fire him ASAP.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by powderjunkie

In the marriage of Gaudreau-Monahan, who do you think has done more of the compromising/adapting to make the partnership work?




-worthy source.

I don’t think there’s a way to determine that. They both do their roles in their respective positions and have helped each other become rich. The chemistry was obvious from day one; but there’s no doubt in my mind whose straw stirs the drink on that line.


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[Strange Brew]

Here's the thing with trading Gaudreau.

I'd say he has a better chance of winning a Cup on another team than the Flames do of winning one after he is gone (while he is still in the league). Gaudreau is a special player who when slotted correctly, is a lethal weapon.

He's not a carry the team to the promised land kind of player.

I guess you can blame him for not being better. I see it a little differently but I suppose the end result is the same. This team needs changes.

[Flash Walken]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

I'd say he has a better chance of winning a Cup on another team than the Flames do of winning one after he is gone (while he is still in the league).

I agree, because the failure in this example is organizational.

The failings that prevent the team from winning with Gaudreau will likely be with the organization long after he's gone, just like they pre-dated his arrival.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Florida might be a team to target. They are looking to make changes and I would hope we pounce on the opportunity to acquire a big name player like Barkov while they get acclimated with a new GM in there. Kind of what we did with Hamilton/Sweeney.

[TheScorpion]

Barkov is far more valuable at this point than Hamilton was when the Flames stole him from Boston.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Barkov is far more valuable at this point than Hamilton was when the Flames stole him from Boston.

Im trying to think of #1 centers that can be acquired, but there obviously isn’t very many on the market if there are any at all.

I keep circling back to Barkov and Barzal. Barzal is ideal because the Isles need to sign both Pulock and Barzal. They don’t have the space for that, and I don’t care if Treliving has be a d*** and offer sheet Barzal or trade Monahan + Gaudreau for Barzal + cap dump. I don’t freaking know. I do know that this team is going to need some big changes regardless of the outcome of this series. Gaudreau and Monahan are just not cutting it.

[Justin]

Time to move on from JG while the value is still high. He's great in the regular season, but regular season point totals don't win you championships in the playoffs.

Keep Monahan.