[PGT] Anemic offense, Flames lose 2-1

[Flash Walken]

Is there some award to be won for signing free agents or spending to the cap with futility that I don't know about?

Everyone watching these games is thinking to themselves that this team is replacing Gaudreau with Hall away from what exactly?

Surely an 8 million dollar Taylor Hall and a 38 year old Giordano is what's going to stir the drink and bring the Flames to the promised land? It's definitely a great idea to build a team around two left wingers, right?

Maybe they need more motivational speakers for pre-game? Do some of you guys even read your own posts after you click submit?

A hard cap league is a zero sum game. You're not going to win a goddamned thing when you're paying Michael Stone 2 million dollars to fart into the same cushion for 70 games. When your big roster shakeup is putting in Rinaldo, it's a sign you're a dog#### organization that has no other option but to sign a PTO to fill out the roster.

Trusting the guy who's major accomplishments the last 3 sesaons for this organization hs been to lose trades and sign bad free agent deals to trade away Gaudreau and sign Hall?

Lord Almighty!

Whether the Flames win this series against a backup goalie or not, is anyone really in doubt on the trajectory of this group and the people running it?

[Cecil Terwilliger]

Do the opinions change if we win this series? As improbable as that may seem right now.

I don’t think they do, much, since a 2nd round win seems unlikely if we play STL.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do the opinions change if we win this series? As improbable as that may seem right now.

I don’t think they do, much, since a 2nd round win seems unlikely if we play STL.

The optics are more positive, they won a round. And honestly if they make it out of this round and the conference finals, I still think substantial moves will be made in the offseason.

For me, winning the play in against WPG and then sputtering out in round 1 is quite literally the worst case scenario I was hoping against. Yet here we are...

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I am not a huge fan of Treliving full disclosure.



That being said, if that is the case, how many chances can one guy get to figure out a goalie and coach. Its getting comical how little criticism he gets for it.

You must be new here.

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[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do the opinions change if we win this series? As improbable as that may seem right now.

I don’t think they do, much, since a 2nd round win seems unlikely if we play STL.

Not from my side. They have to get through the 2nd round to show some real progress/meaningful growth in my eyes. Key there is that there’s no way we’d get through VGK without Johnny and Sean delivering during key moments and dominating at even strength. If they did that? Then maybe there’s hope that they are more than they’ve shown. Without that hope though? Nah, no opinion change from side.

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Makarov

That is a damning record. This franchise has been one of the worst, if not the very worst, in the entire league for the past 30 years.

Originally Posted by topfiverecords

May I present to you the Edmonton Oilers.

Really, Flames have only been better than the Oilers in that entire timespan. There's been new teams that have entered the league since then that have been crappy themselves overall, but haven't been as crappy as the Flames and Oilers have been.

As much as we love to poke fun at the Oilers (and it is fun considering just how terrible they makes themselves based on the culture and decisions), the Flames certainly aren't much better.

Just a brutal franchise. So when fans have a short fuse when things start going awry, it comes from 28 out of 30 years of frustration.

It would be nice to finally have a string of seasons where you know the team will at least have 2nd round appearances and beyond. A legitimate contender for the cup; or at least not a playoff bubble team that gets knocked out of the 1st round every. damn. year.

[3rd liner]

Originally Posted by Cecil Terwilliger

Do the opinions change if we win this series? As improbable as that may seem right now.

I don’t think they do, much, since a 2nd round win seems unlikely if we play STL.

I guess opinions would only change if the top line is lights out for the next two games and that play continues into round 2. Then we'd just call them 'slow starters'....

Once again, water under the bridge if the flames don't win, but assuming knights and Avs win their series, wouldn't the flames play Vegas next round? Vegas (1) vs. Calgary (6)? Then Avs (3) vs. winner of STL(4)/Van(5)?

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

Ward is making an excuse, he doesn't know how to do the "us against the world" We saw that in Bob Johnson,Hartley, Sutter. The coach has to make the players believe they can overcome all odds... Ward needs to sit them down make them watch the 2004 series and they will see players who went to war for each other, the coach, the city and the fans.

What I saw in the first 19 minutes of the first period was the Flames getting run out of the rink. Stars were faster, harder on the puck, harder on the guys they hit, more motivated and even when the Flames scored and had a "decent" second period, they didn't stop. These guys simply do not have the jam of the 2004 team which went to the wall and through it for their coach and their fellow teammates. Not this crew at all.

Also, notwithstanding how erratically the Flames played, sometimes you just have to credit the other team. In this case, regardless of what the Flames did, or intended to do, or tried to do, the Stars simply played their game - and they did so hard and fast. Flames didn't play their own game and basically just gave up chasing it.

I didn't like the run-and-gun in the last game, thought that didn't favour the Flames but they came out of it well. Mostly. But where was the bang and crash they had in the first game? It seems like they won that game and figured they had the series done.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by zamler

Are we ever going to have a real coach again? I am beyond fed up with stupid coaching decisions, what ever happened to earned not given?

Didn't he get fired for something or other?

[Flash Walken]

Trading Gaudreau for future assets and then signing an absolute anchor contract that will carry through the term where you hope those good young assets develop to the point where they are worth their own big money deals is terrible ####ing asset management by the way and if you want any proof of that just look at this Flames roster that had to bridge their best player and grind one of their best emerging youngsters to a league minimum deal instead of locking him up to a reasonable contract the year before he predictably explodes.

Trying to turn #### into gold instead of admitting you suck is the Flames from 2008-2014.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by dino7c

As usual people are just assuming every top coach wants to come here like every UFA

That's what money is for. With enough of it, you can, indeed, buy almost anyone you want. (Not always, for sure, and not necessarily WHEN you want.)

[iamca]

Originally Posted by Young Guns

You really think the only big stay at home defensemen we have is the problem here? I can think of a couple other defenders who should be sitting before Forbort.

Then get Ward to sit the couple of other defenders.

No change after Game 4 and another loss.

Game 6 same line up?


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[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Flash Walken

Trusting the guy who's major accomplishments the last 3 sesaons for this organization hs been to lose trades and sign bad free agent deals to trade away Gaudreau and sign Hall?

Lord Almighty!

Whether the Flames win this series against a backup goalie or not, is anyone really in doubt on the trajectory of this group and the people running it?

The trades and signings are up for debate in whether he's made more bad moves than good, but what I think is one glaring weakness for BT has been his coaching hires. All of them have been major misses. The fact he's going to be able to get a third coach in five years makes him very lucky.

But if he's not going to get a coach with a strong resume of playoff success AS A RECENT HEAD COACH, then it feels rather pointless since history is just going to repeat itself. At that point, what is BT really bringing here if he's not even giving his roster the best chance by getting a coach that knows how to win?

[Ashasx]

The Hamonic trade has really hurt this team. Even if Hamonic was playing now, he's been a #5 at his best this season.

This organization needs to re-evaluate the kind of assets it values going forward.

[The Boy Wonder]

The biggest problem is that the guys who make the most money on this team don’t put up even close to a point per game at even strength in the playoffs...

Mediocre franchise is mediocre...


But hey! The blues won a cup after ~50 years of futility so maybe we can too one day...


But this group ain’t it.

Tkachuk is career 5pts in 15 games and everyone thinks he’s the saviour? That’s pathetic playoff output for a guy who prides himself on that (and I will happily eat those words if he improves as sample size increases) Johnny and mony should be packaged off to Florida or somewhere where they love regular season hockey, gio has lost a step or two but I get keeping him around for sentimental reasons, and we pay all our depth too much. I guess if Benny and looch keep playing like this then the salaries combined seems fair, and dube and mange seem good.

Scary how little size we have.

We tried big and tough with Darryl in 06-09 then we tried small and fast 17-20.

Not sure what the answer is but this ain’t it.





I don’t think winning a series changes this, but imagine if we had Kadri / Stone?


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[RedHawk12]

Originally Posted by dammage79

The optics are more positive, they won a round. And honestly if they make it out of this round and the conference finals, I still think substantial moves will be made in the offseason.

For me, winning the play in against WPG and then sputtering out in round 1 is quite literally the worst case scenario I was hoping against. Yet here we are...

I agree with this. The optics are way better if we make it to round 2, but the main and underlying problem remains: as long as Gaudreau and Monahan, ie. our top players, don't pick it up significantly, this core is not a Stanley Cup contender. A hot goalie, good depth and special teams might win us a round but probably won't win us 4 if our top players dont start playing like top players.

[Roof-Daddy]

If this team loses in round 1 again and doesn't come back next season with at least Gallant or Laviolette as the coach then what is the ####ing point?

There is no salary cap for a coach. Make them an offer they can't refuse FFS

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

He has to get another legit top 6 C at a minimum or burn this sucker down. But yeah, the goaltending is still a huge question mark, and our #1 Dman is about to turn 37 while showing signs of falling off a cliff.

I'm like you though, I don't think a full rebuild will be allowed even if it's needed.

Not with ownership needing to sell boxes and seasons tickets for a new building.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

If this team loses in round 1 again and doesn't come back next season with at least Gallant or Laviolette as the coach then what is the ####ing point?

There is no salary cap for a coach. Make them an offer they can't refuse FFS

This group may already have a reputation for being coach killers
No amount of money can perhaps make up for that

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by taxbuster

What I saw in the first 19 minutes of the first period was the Flames getting run out of the rink. Stars were faster, harder on the puck, harder on the guys they hit, more motivated and even when the Flames scored and had a "decent" second period, they didn't stop. These guys simply do not have the jam of the 2004 team which went to the wall and through it for their coach and their fellow teammates. Not this crew at all.

Also, notwithstanding how erratically the Flames played, sometimes you just have to credit the other team. In this case, regardless of what the Flames did, or intended to do, or tried to do, the Stars simply played their game - and they did so hard and fast. Flames didn't play their own game and basically just gave up chasing it.

I didn't like the run-and-gun in the last game, thought that didn't favour the Flames but they came out of it well. Mostly. But where was the bang and crash they had in the first game? It seems like they won that game and figured they had the series done.

I think you hit the nail on the head! Identity! We don't have it!! Imagine if we had to play the 2004 Flames, would we stand a chance;? Absolutely not. Every guy on that team gave it their all, series after series while only a handful of guys tonight were singled out as caring enough to show up.

We were down one goal but there was hardly enough push back in third. No identity! If the team is not good enough then they should be outworking the other team, not complaining about being nervous!