[PGT] Anemic offense, Flames lose 2-1

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by nik-

Just curious to see if Treliving has the ability to actually make the necessary changes this summer. If he sits on his hands with this core again, he should go too.

But he is always up late and working really hard... That's all you need, right?

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by keenan87

But he is always up late and working really hard... That's all you need, right?

No one has ever said that.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

Lindholm has been the worst one of the three.

Fair argument but I like his contract and think he can be a solid complimentary top 6 player.

[Monahammer]

That gio contract is going to be horrific over the next 5 years. Took a step back during this regular season but now is barely replacement level the whole play in/ playoffs. What bull#### from "our captain".

C should go to Tkachuk next year.

[Phaneuf_Phan]

We can win game 6 but Johnny needs to have his minutes limited. This could also work to create trade demand. I like win-win scenarios.

[keenan87]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No one has ever said that.

Then you don't pay much attention. People claim he is the hardest working GM all the time even though he rarely gets anything done. Always the bridesmaid.

[Monahammer]

Swapping out gaudreau for hall + whatever we get for johnny could be transformative for this club.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by N-E-B

I’m surprised at how down on Monahan people are. I think he’s far and away been the best player on that line. I think he’s being dragged down by Johnny and Lindholm (who is escaping much deserved criticism).

I see the exact opposite. I think Johnny is trying too much on his own and Lindy has been ok. Monahan has been downright terrible. Handles the puck like a grenade, soft along the boards, staying on the perimeter instead of in front of the net. I can't count the number of times in the offensive zone JG and Lindholm were in digging at pucks and there is Sean Monahan standing further back on the wall in no man's land watching. Just terrible.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

I think a lot of us know Dallas is a good team and even if we lose this series to them, that's OK really.

But what's not ok is the performance of our top players.
If this was the last game of our playoffs and we had just lost the series, I'd have a bunch of positives from our depth players, Talbot, much of our D but our top players have been embarrassingly useless...again.

Very good point. The Stars were a goal away from beating the eventual champions the St Louis Blues. Who knows, if they scored in OT, maybe the Stats end up winning the Cup in 2019.

[Bunk]

Flames since winning cup:
90: 1st round exit
91: 1st round exit
92: 1st round exit
93: 1st round exit
94: 1st round exit
95: 1st round exit
96: 1st round exit
97: no playoffs
98: no playoffs
99: no playoffs
00: no playoffs
01: no playoffs
02: no playoffs
03: no playoffs
04: finals!
06: 1st round exit
07: 1st round exit
08: 1st round exit
09: 1st round exit
10: no playoffs
11: no playoffs
12: no playoffs
13: no playoffs
14: no playoffs
15: 2nd round exit
16: no playoffs
17: 1st round exit
18: no playoffs
19: 1st round exit (#1 seed)
20: verge of 1st round exit

Guys, we know what happens next.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by GranteedEV

Here's an excerpt from when the Canucks fired Willie Desjardins:



That right there, is what we haven't had for the last five years. A coach who by all accounts will outcoach the other team's coach. Ward, Gulutzan, Peters all lost their coaching matchhups to Bowness, Carlyle, and Bednar.

I have a hard time believing Sutter couldn't motivate Monahan, or Johnny. I can promise you he would have had the team come out on fire for today's game and not one guy would dare take their foot off the pedal. That said, he is not the only coach who can get more our of the players.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by keenan87

Then you don't pay much attention. People claim he is the hardest working GM all the time even though he rarely gets anything done. Always the bridesmaid.

'flames were close on....' Is such a oileresque rhetoric that has become common place for the flames franchise the past few seasons. It's dumb.

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Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Easy to say, not going to happen in a flat cap world.

If we trade those guys it's not for picks and prospects. It's for a bundle of spare parts and salary dumps.

Overpaid underachievers on limited term & higher/more picks would be fine. I think it's basically a rebuild mentality, except the roster guys we'd be keeping are actually showing some promise (Tkachuk, Dube, Mangi, Lindholm (I think he's injured), Bennett, Anderson, Hanifin). Rebuild around a young talented core with some smart trades.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by keenan87

I really want to believe you.. but his 5 points in 15 playoff games (2 in 6 this season) don't really make me believe he would be the difference between winning and losing in this playoff series.

True. He has not been effective on the scoreboard, but he definitely adds other elements to the game. He was effective against the Jets.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

No one has ever said that.

This is very surprising coming from you of all people. Aren't you the one who preaches management stability at all costs, even if that management isn't getting anything done?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by dissentowner

I see the exact opposite. I think Johnny is trying too much on his own and Lindy has been ok.

Lindholm has been downright bad.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

That gio contract is going to be horrific over the next 5 years. Took a step back during this regular season but now is barely replacement level the whole play in/ playoffs. What bull#### from "our captain".

C should go to Tkachuk next year.

Why 5 years? He has 2 years left.

[Reign of Fire]

Here is another question, everyone questioning Johnny's toughness, but when was the last time Monahan hit someone, anyone? No point flexing in pics if you are going to shrink in games.

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[shogged]

Originally Posted by Reign of Fire

It's funny the takes on this forums. Gaudreau is only good in the regular season, trade him. Sam Bennett is only good in the playoffs, trade him.

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No, it’s a regular season problem as well lol

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Originally Posted by Bunk

Flames since winning cup:
90: 1st round exit
91: 1st round exit
92: 1st round exit
93: 1st round exit
94: 1st round exit
95: 1st round exit
96: 1st round exit
97: no playoffs
98: no playoffs
99: no playoffs
00: no playoffs
01: no playoffs
02: no playoffs
03: no playoffs
04: finals!
06: 1st round exit
07: 1st round exit
08: 1st round exit
09: 1st round exit
10: no playoffs
11: no playoffs
12: no playoffs
13: no playoffs
14: no playoffs
15: 2nd round exit
16: no playoffs
17: 1st round exit
18: no playoffs
19: 1st round exit (#1 seed)
20: verge of 1st round exit

Guys, we know what happens next.

Clearly repeating 2015… at best