American Politics Thread: The Hunt for Blue November

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by midniteowl

Well, I don't get the eyerolling then. You obviously think it's funny some how.

I think the post went over your head if that's your reading of it.

[nik-]

Are we doing this again?

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

I dont think Kamala is what people were looking for.



I have a general, probably ignorant, question to ask. Do Americans make a distinction between black americans or African-Americans, many generations in America and recent black immigrants from Africa or the Caribbean. I find this distinction important when talking about civil rights, slavery and reparations.



If so, then does the Kamala Harris count as "black" enough? I know that seems a dumb question but in politics it matters. I mean she is 1st generation born in the US, Indian mother, Jamaican father. She a person born from immigrants, like me, like a lot of others. So is she considered a politically black candidate that will bring out more black voters?

This "argument" started last week by Trump supporters on the Internet last week hours after the Harris selection was announced.

That is all.

[ResAlien]

Originally Posted by activeStick

This "argument" started last week by Trump supporters on the Internet last week hours after the Harris selection was announced.

That is all.

This is the correct answer. The hair splitting and interest in semantic specificity is a common tool they try to use. She’s not African American, fine. Jesus Christ like anyone was overly concerned about that.

It’s especially disingenuous since they don’t give a squirt of piss about properly addressing people. They only say African American as a generic term since they’ll say they get in trouble for saying black. It’s another dog whistle argument designed to try and separate her more. I’ll give any one of those fools cash right now if they can show me them ever being concerned about the difference between Caribbean American and African American before her selection.

It’s so transparently trash that giving it this amount of energy is embarrassing. Voters don’t care, democrats don’t care, only right wing talking heads do.

[#-3]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

I hope this isn’t a dumb question but how does limiting mail-in voting help Trump?

538 actually explained this really well, republican voters are more likely to mail in early, more likely to vote early in the day, more likely to be on advanced voter rolls.......... So there is a actually a long history of republican margins starting out strong with the earliest returns and shrinking though the night. its very possible with late mail in ballets and limited in person voting you will see a big swing between the early election night returns and the actual final talleys days later, by tossing as much mud as possible on the results he can hope to claim victory quickly and then scream voter fraud as the vote swings toward Biden in the following days.

None of Trumps tactics are about winning an election they are about stealing an election.

[troutman]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...-vote-by-mail/

Democrats are now 50 points more likely to say they’re at least somewhat likely to vote by mail, with fully half saying they’re very likely to do so. Meanwhile, the number of Republicans saying they will probably vote by mail has fallen to 22 percent.

‘Hidden’ Trump Voters Exist. But How Much Impact Will They Have?
Republicans insist that millions of Americans want to vote for Trump but won’t admit it. Polling experts tell a different story

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/16/u...ump-polls.html

[HockeyIlliterate]

John Kasich should have been President.

[troutman]

Michelle Obama is the best.

[BoLevi]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

This is the correct answer. The hair splitting and interest in semantic specificity is a common tool they try to use. She’s not African American, fine. Jesus Christ like anyone was overly concerned about that.

It’s especially disingenuous since they don’t give a squirt of piss about properly addressing people. They only say African American as a generic term since they’ll say they get in trouble for saying black. It’s another dog whistle argument designed to try and separate her more. I’ll give any one of those fools cash right now if they can show me them ever being concerned about the difference between Caribbean American and African American before her selection.

It’s so transparently trash that giving it this amount of energy is embarrassing. Voters don’t care, democrats don’t care, only right wing talking heads do.

It's not semantic specificity. (Although I find it interesting that people are happy to distinguish between the "diverse" latin community and the "monolithic" black community when it is Biden performing the semantics. Further, I find it ironic that liberals are now bristling at people drawing ethnic lines considering the left's constant harping on ethnicity. But I digress.)

Black communities in the US have significantly different outcomes depending on their origins. This isn't a new phenomenon.

https://quillette.com/2018/05/14/the-racism-treadmill/

The first natural experiment occurred when Sowell used 1970 census data to compare the incomes of second-generation West Indian blacks and American blacks in the New York metropolitan area. Both groups would have looked and talked the same; both groups were born and educated in the same area; and both groups were trailing brutal histories of chattel slavery.

Indeed, aside from cultural differences, West Indian blacks would have been virtually indistinguishable from their American counterparts. There is no better demonstration of their superficial likeness than the fact that many prominent black leaders—including Marcus Garvey, Stokely Carmichael, Malcolm X, Harry Belafonte, and Sidney Poitier—were actually of black West Indian, not black American, ancestry.7 But despite being subjected to the same racist treatment by local whites, second-generation West Indian black families were highly successful, out-earning American black families by 58 percent, and even out-earning the national average income by 15 percent.8 Sowell’s conclusion was unequivocal: “Neither race nor racism can explain such differences.”9

The second natural experiment involves comparing the outcomes of black immigrants on the whole with the outcomes of American blacks (i.e., blacks descended from American slaves.) Although black immigrants (and especially their children, who are indistinguishable from American blacks) presumably experience the same ongoing systemic biases that black descendants of American slaves do, nearly all black immigrant groups out-earn American blacks, and many—including Ghanaians, Nigerians, Barbadians, and Trinidadians & Tobagonians—out-earn the national average. Moreover, black immigrants are overrepresented in the Ivy Leagues. Though they comprised only 8 percent of the U.S. black population in the 2010 census,10 41 percent of African Americans attending Ivy League schools were of immigrant origin in 1999. Five years later, the New York Times reported a finding by two Harvard professors that as many as two-thirds of Harvard’s black students “were West Indian and African immigrants or their children, or to a lesser extent, children of biracial couples.”

I'll leave you to your own conclusions about all of this. However, it doesn't seem like hair splitting, and insofar as systemic racism exists, it does not seem to impact immigrants from the West Indies to the same extent as other black communities in the US.

[ResAlien]

Apologies but I refuse to allow this childishness to direct the narrative. Anyway, here’s Bernie from tonight

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295552120675012608

And Michelle

https://twitter.com/user/status/1295575863136641025

Both of those will get some decent airtime over the next few days I’m sure.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

It is what it is..........lol. She's fantastic.

[BoLevi]

If Michelle had gone for the nomination it would be a landslide in November.

[MoneyGuy]

Michelle Obama speaking last night on Trump: “So if you take one thing from my words tonight, it is this: if you think things cannot possibly get worse, trust me, they can; and they will if we don’t make a change in this election. If we have any hope of ending this chaos, we have got to vote for Joe Biden like our lives depend on it.”

Because your lives may indeed depend on this election.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by BoLevi

If Michelle had gone for the nomination it would be a landslide in November.

Nah, it's a nice speech but Trump has like 60M guaranteed votes... nobody is beating Trump in a landslide

[PsYcNeT]

Knowing BoLevi, I'm assuming he meant landslide *for* Trump.

[troutman]

This page displays the current 270toWin Polling Average for each state.
https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by troutman

This page displays the current 270toWin Polling Average for each state.
https://www.270towin.com/2020-polls-biden-trump/

JFC... state averages have ruined my day.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Knowing BoLevi, I'm assuming he meant landslide *for* Trump.

He has to figure out if she's the right kind of Black before he decides what he meant.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

JFC... state averages have ruined my day.

https://www.270towin.com/maps/consen...l-map-forecast


If you look at it in this way, the Dems have a pretty solid lead, with even the leaning Dem states needing to flip to give Trump a chance, but also needs all the toss ups.

[troutman]

Can Trump win without Florida? That seems very difficult.