2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Yoho]

Originally Posted by DB93

Why are we trading Backlund? Outside of Bennett, he has probably been our best forward in the playoffs. He is a legit 2nd line center.

No he’s really not.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No he’s really not.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is Frost injured? Why is he not playing in the playoffs?

Because the Flyers have a very deep team and Frost isn't good enough to crack the lineup. I know Frost is the sexy young player/prospect to a lot of Flames fans, but Farabee has been more impressive and is the better target for a trade, IMHO.

[DB93]

Originally Posted by Yoho

No he’s really not.

On what reasonable basis? He was on pace for 50 points this season and was flirting with that same pace the year prior. That is second line center production. In addition to that he kills penalties and plays the second team PP. Outside of Lindholm, he is the most complete forward on the team. Take him off this roster and see what happens....

[Poe969]

Originally Posted by DB93

Why are we trading Backlund? Outside of Bennett, he has probably been our best forward in the playoffs. He is a legit 2nd line center.

He's on the wrong side of 30, hopefully Cozens would be the second, or maybe first, line centre, Bennett would be third line and Ryan as the fourth. Plus, Backlund makes over 5 mill per season. The goal would be to replace old players with good young cost controlled players.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Heavy Jack

If Johnny to Philly is happening I want Konecny being the main piece coming back and would be willing to add one of Mangiapane or Bennett to make that happen.

Gaudreau + Mangiapane for Konecny + Philly 1st (mid to late?

Why are the Flyers trading Konecny?

He had more points than Johnny last year, is 4 years younger and has a cheaper contract with more term. He’s also having a decent playoff, unlike Mr. Invisible, and can play some defence.

And you want to get the Flyers first round pick too?


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[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by CliffFletcher

Because the Flyers have a very deep team and Frost isn't good enough to crack the lineup. I know Frost is the sexy young player/prospect to a lot of Flames fans, but Farabee has been more impressive and is the better target for a trade, IMHO.

I have never wanted Frost as a piece in a Gaudreau deal and this makes me want him even less. I do think if he plays 5 games he needs to be protected. Same draft year as Valimaki both have played less than 25 games.

The expansion draft makes it tough for the Flames to do a Gaudreau for depth trade. A Gaudreau for depth trade only makes sense if the Flames can sign Hall to replace Gaudreau and his role.

Looking at expansion today up front you have

1. Tkachuk
2. Lindholm
3. Monahan
4. Dube
5. Mangipane
6. Gaudreau
7. Bennett

Assumes Lucic waives his NMC. If Hall replaces Gaudreau then the team would not want to add another forward that requires protecting as the main piece coming back. I think New Jersey and Buffalo make the most sense with the 7th or 8th pick as one of the key pieces coming back.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why are the Flyers trading Konecny?

He had more points than Johnny last year, is 4 years younger and has a cheaper contract with more term. He’s also having a decent playoff, unlike Mr. Invisible, and can play some defence.

And you want to get the Flyers first round pick too?


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There is Mangipane in the deal as well who gets no mention in your reply.

I don’t see the Flyers making that deal either. Philly is overrated as a trade partner and the expansion draft makes it a bad fit

[SuperMatt18]

Why can’t all these things be true with Bennett?

He’s a guy that needs to give more in the regular season and become a more consistent producer over an 82 game schedule, I don’t think his supporters will argue that.

He also a guy that’s been saddled with subpar linemates in our bottom six and didn’t seem to ever get a long term opportunity to play his natural position with talented linemates. Plus he’s received limited to no PP time. Those things hurt his development and point production.

And he’s a guy that can step his game up come playoff time and really provide energy and a physical game while also chipping in offensively. Hes been our best playoff player (Non-goalie) in each of the last three playoffs now.

So I think the argument is why move on from Bennett when he’s finally found some chemistry with some linemates while playing his natural position. He’s not overpaid, he works hard, and he still has a year left on his contract that takes him to RFA status.

Plus he’s still only just turned 24 in June, so while it’s unlikely he becomes a star now there are other guys that broke out late in their careers too. Hell there are even recent examples in this organization. Ferland didn’t have his 20 goal, 40 point season until he was 24 and got top 6 minutes. Lindholm was a guy who couldn’t finish and didn’t break out offensively until he was 24 and got put on a line with other talented forwards.

IMO there is no reason to include him as a throw in as part of a Gaudreau trade right now. His value probably won’t be that elevated after what’s a weird playoff format and people will still look at his regular season stats.

[TheScorpion]

The Flames shouldn't have to add anything to Gaudreau to get good value. Why are we making proposals including Bennett and Mangiapane? Those are the types of players the Flames should be looking for in a Johnny trade.

[Nelson]

I want Dylan Cozens, Colin Miller and a 1st round pick if we’re trading Gaudreau.

[Nelson]

Nvm

[Robo]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

The Flames shouldn't have to add anything to Gaudreau to get good value. Why are we making proposals including Bennett and Mangiapane? Those are the types of players the Flames should be looking for in a Johnny trade.

If those are the types of players we should be looking for in a gaudreau trade we should probably just keep gaudreau.

[bax]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

Why are the Flyers trading Konecny?

He had more points than Johnny last year, is 4 years younger and has a cheaper contract with more term. He’s also having a decent playoff, unlike Mr. Invisible, and can play some defence.

And you want to get the Flyers first round pick too?


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I agree the Flyers aren’t going to be in the business of trading Konecny due to age and contract, but what is this about saying he is having a decent playoffs compared to “Mr. Invisible?”

Flyer fans are super frustrated with Konecny so far as he has only mustered 2 assists and those came in the round robin. He’s been held off the scoresheet in 5 of 6 games. If that’s a decent playoffs then Johnny’s has been fantastic.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Robo

If those are the types of players we should be looking for in a gaudreau trade we should probably just keep gaudreau.

Good young players with RFA status and high upside? I think the Flames could definitely use a lot more of those. Mangiapane is already looking like a top-six forward and Bennett is playing like a superstar right now.

[Robo]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Good young players with RFA status and high upside? I think the Flames could definitely use a lot more of those. Mangiapane is already looking like a top-six forward and Bennett is playing like a superstar right now.

I agree about Bennett right now but can you imagine if the player gaudreau gets traded for plays like regular season Bennett it would be a disaster, I would take a slight downgrade on gaudreau for a position of need and a proven reliable player in both regular season and playoffs. Mangiapane I'm just not as high on him yet. Honestly though I would try to package Monahan and gaudreau to a team

[dino7c]

You still have to make the playoffs in order to play well in them

[Sandman]

I wonder if we're setting ourselves up for disappointment when it comes to the return from trading Johnny. The same qualities in him that we all bitch about are clearly visible to every GM and scouting staff in the league. Nobody is going to give us a top prospect, roster player, AND a first.

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I wonder if we're setting ourselves up for disappointment when it comes to the return from trading Johnny. The same qualities in him that we all bitch about are clearly visible to every GM and scouting staff in the league. Nobody is going to give us a top prospect, roster player, AND a first.

We as a group are underestimating the return a player like Gaudreau would get, especially with 2 years of term left.

We let our emotions cloud things.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I wonder if we're setting ourselves up for disappointment when it comes to the return from trading Johnny. The same qualities in him that we all bitch about are clearly visible to every GM and scouting staff in the league. Nobody is going to give us a top prospect, roster player, AND a first.

As of now, no. But I would hold that thought because he's heating up finally. Might be a different story in a few days.

Player values can be a pretty fluid thing. Last season you were probably getting two 1sts for Johnny.