[PGT] Stars 5 Flames 4 (OT)

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Beninho

If the Flames got 5 straight PP’s I’m sure the Stars would’ve looked just as tired as our guys. That is what won them the game and they barely won. Flames were exhausted.

Also, Ward left Lindholm, Backlund and Reider out for the entire last 3 minutes, which was a huge mistake IMO.

Even when they blocked a pass, they were completely unable to go after the puck. They just stood there. And with 3 minutes to work with, it was almost a given that the Stars would have found a rebound to pounce on at some point.

Yes, those 3 players are the best defensive forwards the Flames have. However, with all that PK work earlier, they simply didn't have anything left.

Bad call by Ward.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, Ward left Lindholm, Backlund and Reider out for the entire last 3 minutes, which was a huge mistake IMO.

Even when they blocked a pass, they were completely unable to go after the puck. They just stood there. And with 3 minutes to work with, it was almost a given that the Stars would have found a rebound to pounce on at some point.

Yes, those 3 players are the best defensive forwards the Flames have. However, with all that PK work earlier, they simply didn't have anything left.

Bad call by Ward.

Still doesn't excuse Lindholm by costing us a 3-1 lead. God that was pathetic. Even a day later it still pisses me off. What a bonehead.

Any one who bitches about Gaudreau or Monahan tomorrow can shut the hell up. They aren't even close to being awful in the post season compared to Lindholm.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by oldschoolcalgary

I think Dallas' defense has been a lot better...

Heiskinen is the best player on the ice (an argument can be made for Talbot too), but Olesiak has looked good as has Klingberg.

I saw an awful lot of turnovers and bad clearing attempts from calgary defense the other day... Dallas' forecheck really owned calgary in the last couple of games imo.

From what I can tell, Oleksiak has been playing out of his mind this series. His career stats seem to support the pre-series impression I had of him: a big, slow, lumbering (but effective) defensive defenceman.

However, this series, he looks like a young Scott Neidermayer, seemingly joining every rush (often leading those rushes), pinching, and then gliding effortlessly back into position. WTF?

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Johnny Makarov

Still doesn't excuse Lindholm by costing us a 3-1 lead. God that was pathetic. Even a day later it still pisses me off. What a bonehead.

Honest question: What did I miss that the goal was 100% on Lindholm?

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by Makarov

From what I can tell, Oleksiak has been playing out of his mind this series. His career stats seem to support the pre-series impression I had of him: a big, slow, lumbering (but effective) defensive defenceman.

However, this series, he looks like a young Scott Neidermayer, seemingly joining every rush (often leading those rushes), pinching, and then gliding effortlessly back into position. WTF?

No kidding. He was forever known as Penny's brother. Someone needs to test him for roids and HGH.

[Yrebmi]

IIRC. Dying seconds Lindholm tried to clear the puck around the opposite side. He somewhat wiffed on the puck which was easily stopped and led to the goal.

It likely would have been a better call to take a second and clear it proper, or even just hold on to possession for the final 20 seconds.

[Calgary4LIfe]

Yeah, Lindholm definitely made the mistake. He should have at least tried to hold the puck behind the net. Still, if the puck managed to squeak out of the zone, that's the game. Tough choice, and I think it was mostly bad luck over anything. I don't really pin it specifically on him, but there were many opportunities to put this game away that just didn't happen. Dallas controlled the last 3 minutes and scored twice essentially (though I agree with the no-goal call).


I guess after all the PKs, that Calgary was tired. Makes sense as how Cali and Enoch stated it. Dallas just seemed to dictate the play for far too long.

[Johnny Makarov]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honest question: What did I miss that the goal was 100% on Lindholm?

22 seconds left and he got the rebound off of talbot with a stars guy behind him. He limp slaps the puck around the boards and it trickled to the Stars point guy.

He should have just took the puck with him to the corner and killed most of the clock.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Shots were 28 - 28 and the Flames had a 3-2 lead, when Talbot got called for that very suspect tripping call with 2 minutes left in the 2nd period.

After 5 consecutive penalties over the course of the next 14 minutes, the game, and the momentum, were completely changed.

Also, the Flames penalty killers, including Lindholm and all of the D, were exhausted.

To finish this off, the shots were 42-35 after the penalties.

Then the shots were 8-0 in the last 3-plus minutes, because Ward left one exhausted line out there the entire time.

At the end of regulation, the shots were 50-35, so 22-7 from the tripping call on Talbot until the end of regulation.

In OT, the shots were 12-5, as the D was too tired to get the puck out of their zone.

So the shots were 28-28 for the first 38 minutes, and the score was 3-2 Flames.

Then they were 34-7 for the next 38 minutes, and the score was 3-1 Stars, with the only Flames goal being a shortie.

It was a tale of two games, and of situational stats. You really miss a lot if you simply look at the stat totals and say that the Flames were dominated.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Honest question: What did I miss that the goal was 100% on Lindholm?

BRUTAL clearing attempt with 20 seconds left. If he makes a good play there, the game is over.

However, now that I know that he was on the ice for the entire last 3 minutes plus, I no longer blame him. I blame Ward.

[Manhattanboy]

Thought I would feel better about the loss today. Nope.

[Locke]

Originally Posted by Yrebmi

IIRC. Dying seconds Lindholm tried to clear the puck around the opposite side. He somewhat wiffed on the puck which was easily stopped and led to the goal.

It likely would have been a better call to take a second and clear it proper, or even just hold on to possession for the final 20 seconds.

I think Burke touched on this.

Pin that puck against the boards and force Dallas to dig it out. Kill down the clock.

That was a bad call by Lindholm and I definitely think it was due to fatigue.

[Dragomir]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

BRUTAL clearing attempt with 20 seconds left. If he makes a good play there, the game is over.

However, now that I know that he was on the ice for the entire last 3 minutes plus, I no longer blame him. I blame Ward.

Same, Ward is not cut out to be a head coach and hopefully goes back to being an assistant in the offseason. I feel like this series is lost but regardless of the outcome we need a better coach.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Also, Ward left Lindholm, Backlund and Reider out for the entire last 3 minutes, which was a huge mistake IMO.

Even when they blocked a pass, they were completely unable to go after the puck. They just stood there. And with 3 minutes to work with, it was almost a given that the Stars would have found a rebound to pounce on at some point.

Yes, those 3 players are the best defensive forwards the Flames have. However, with all that PK work earlier, they simply didn't have anything left.

Bad call by Ward.

You're right. Fire him!

[Calgary4LIfe]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

Same, Ward is not cut out to be a head coach and hopefully goes back to being an assistant in the offseason. I feel like this series is lost but regardless of the outcome we need a better coach.

I am not sure he isn't cut out to be one. He has been rumoured to be 'on the bubble' as a new head coach around the league, and I was actually fearful that the Flames would end up losing him. When he became the interim, I was optimistic, and I remained so until he forced Backlund to the wing for WAY too long when it was painfully obvious it wasn't working, even though the team was winning.


However, since the playoffs began, I have really warmed up to him and felt he has done some good things.


Now? I am kind of on the fence. I just want results. If the Flames bow out to Dallas here, I want moves - roster moves and a new (and hopefully experienced and proven) head coach. Until then, I will remain on the fence. If the Flames win this round and bow out the next - I will probably remain on the fence unless I see some adjustments during the next series. If the Flames go beyond the 2nd round, then I don't think the Flames can (or should) make a move other than to remove the interim tag.



Just sitting here sitting on the fence - uncomfortably so since it seems some idiot has strung barbed wire along the top of this.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

BRUTAL clearing attempt with 20 seconds left. If he makes a good play there, the game is over.

However, now that I know that he was on the ice for the entire last 3 minutes plus, I no longer blame him. I blame Ward.

Originally Posted by Locke

I think Burke touched on this.

Pin that puck against the boards and force Dallas to dig it out. Kill down the clock.

That was a bad call by Lindholm and I definitely think it was due to fatigue.

Thanks, just wanted to make sure it was the play people were talking about.

Ill give him a bit of a break since it was a bang bang play and there was a Stars guy right there with the puck sitting close to the net. He should have pinned it against the boards there, but if that puck clears then we probably talk about it being a great play.

It's a game of thin margins sometimes.

[Robbob]

Lindholm was just at a bad angle to ring it around, it was a hailmary clearing attempt.

If he chipped it into the corner or even skated it into the corner it would have been a battle for possession. From there a win would have given a higher percentage chance to clear the zone. Losing the puck would have killed time and stopped the stars from setting up cleanly. At the very least rushed their shot if they didn't get possession quick enough.

[SebC]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I've seen signs that they can be better than a bubble team, but there is nothing in this line-up that suggests top 2 in the NHL potential, to me. Have you seen the build of some of the top teams?

That's what they were for about 60 games prior to last season's All-Star break. I'm going to say that that's not just statistical noise.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by jayswin

I've seen signs that they can be better than a bubble team, but there is nothing in this line-up that suggests top 2 in the NHL potential, to me. Have you seen the build of some of the top teams?

Top two team is probably a stretch, but top 5 is a fair assessment.

If you look over the regular season for the last two seasons they sit.

86-52-14
.612 points percentage (6th)
186 points (T-5th)

GF: 493 (5th)
GA: 437 (12th)
GF%: 53.0 (6th)

CF%: 52.0 (5th)
HDCF%:52.5 (7th)
xGF%: 52.7% (3rd)

Shooting %: 10.13 (4th)
Save %: .904 (18th)

So over a large sample size (150+ GP) they have been a top 5 team in the NHL. Biggest problem is they had a horrible playoffs last year, and while they've been better this year it's still not amazing.

So just need figure out how to find that next gear in the playoffs and get over that hump, specifically our top two lines at 5v5. For the most part we've been carried by special teams and our third line so far during this playoff.

[dino7c]

hindsight on Lindholm...plays like that happen throughout the game

With 10 seconds left you should also just tackle guys around the net and grab sticks