[Game Takes] Stars 5 Flames 4 (series tied 2-2)

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Talbot seems like a decent blocking style goalie but he sure seems to give up a lot of juicy rebounds no? Like on the tying goal for instance.

I agree he's played well, but I don't know if he's the answer going forward, or Rittich for that matter.

I've never been a Lehner fan. Maybe Markstrom will make it to UFA.

I’m a big fan of Lehner. I don’t think there’s many goalies out there who are stronger mentally. He is unflappable. The man can’t be flapped.

[EVERLAST]

I'm not sorry but the calls weren't going both ways . They just weren't.
If we weren't more dangerous short handed than when we have the PP i wonder what the games would look like.

I hope Ward and Co re watch the Isles game. Watch the isles.
Man Trotz has them playing well. The put on a clinic against the Caps . The caps play like they should win because they are the caps ....they just don't work as hard and the Isles have gotten everything they deserve....W ..W...W...

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by Bend it like Bourgeois

Meh. Better team won clearly seems like a huge reach.

The penalties changed this game. Deserved or not can be debated. The outcome less so. The flames took it to the stars repeatedly until the pk was worn out and the flow a disaster.

Does that make them clearly the better team? Not to me. They won a coin toss and made the most of it. Good on them. I didn’t see the flames fold or get outclassed.

20-6 high danger scoring chances suggest otherwise.

Normally a team that kills off penalties gets momentum from it.


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[blender]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I’m a big fan of Lehner. I don’t think there’s many goalies out there who are stronger mentally. He is unflappable. The man can’t be flapped.

Maybe now, but earlier in his career he used to fly off the handle regularly, often at his own team.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by blender

Maybe now, but earlier in his career he used to fly off the handle regularly, often at his own team.

I think he has his depression, anxiety and addiction issues under control now.

Although a long term contract would be risky for that very reason.

I know the Hawks were interested in signing him to an extension and he was traded amid rumours he wanted a Bobrovsky type contract.


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[gunnner]

One thing that stood out for me was the passive defense on the Stars entries. Everybody was always flat footed and the Stars with speed had it way to easy entering the zone. A coaching adjustment should have taken place after the one zillionth time the stars rushed from behind their own zone to the flames zone with minimal effort. Watch an Islanders game, thats how you play with the lead.

[Bingo]

If a hockey team wants to give up the outside and limit chances from the slot it's an effective strategy if you can counter off it, and don't give up so much time in your zone that you get exhausted and can no longer prevent the other team from taking it to the blue paint.

That's what I saw.

The team was under siege for most of the 2nd and 3rd periods with some special team goals keeping it interesting.

Talbot has been great ... but he gets beat to the wholes he's not covering (like Lemelin), and is getting a lot of goal post help. Scares the crap out of me.

[Makarov]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If a hockey team wants to give up the outside and limit chances from the slot it's an effective strategy if you can counter off it, and don't give up so much time in your zone that you get exhausted and can no longer prevent the other team from taking it to the blue paint.

That's what I saw.

The team was under siege for most of the 2nd and 3rd periods with some special team goals keeping it interesting.

Talbot has been great ... but he gets beat to the wholes he's not covering (like Lemelin), and is getting a lot of goal post help. Scares the crap out of me.

I get the sense that we won't see another game in this series like the last few (where the Flames get caved in on the possession/shot attempt/scoring chance front but manage to keep the score close due to special teams/opportunistic scoring/goaltending/luck). I think either the Flames turn things around and start dictating the play more or things continue the way they've been trending but, as a result, Dallas puts up a couple of convincing wins (score-wise). Obviously I'm hoping (against hope) for the former.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

If a hockey team wants to give up the outside and limit chances from the slot it's an effective strategy if you can counter off it, and don't give up so much time in your zone that you get exhausted and can no longer prevent the other team from taking it to the blue paint.

That's what I saw.

The team was under siege for most of the 2nd and 3rd periods with some special team goals keeping it interesting.

Talbot has been great ... but he gets beat to the wholes he's not covering (like Lemelin), and is getting a lot of goal post help. Scares the crap out of me.

This is very true.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Impossible to know, and what does that have to do with anything?

I don’t think anyone here is saying anything about him

Bingo was talking about whether you spend money on Talbot based on what we have seen

Someone will.

[Strange Brew]

We'll need to spend some kind of money on a goalie. You can't go into the season with Rittich and an AHLer.

[Bingo]

and I'm fine with bringing Talbot back on a two year deal like Rittich's. He's a fine middle of the pack starter.

But don't pay him like he's a 50 save a night playoff hero ... either in $ or term.

[SuperMatt18]

One thing that I think was a roster mistake for this game was putting Rinaldo in over Jankowski.

Means you have one less PKer in the rotation and you could tell our defensive forwards were exhausted after having to kill off 6 straight penalties to end the game.

I do wonder if those last 12 seconds go differently if Reider, Backlund, and Lindholm aren't as exhausted from having to kill so many penalties in the third.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

One thing that I think was a roster mistake for this game was putting Rinaldo in over Jankowski.

Means you have one less PKer in the rotation and you could tell our defensive forwards were exhausted after having to kill off 6 straight penalties to end the game.

I do wonder if those last 12 seconds go differently if Reider, Backlund, and Lindholm aren't as exhausted from having to kill so many penalties in the third.

Was thinking the same when watching.

Rinaldo has more jam, but isn't as good a hockey player, and certainly doesn't have a role or specialty on the team.

You can double shift Gaudreau, sit Jankowski five on five and have him kill penalties.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Was thinking the same when watching.

Rinaldo has more jam, but isn't as good a hockey player, and certainly doesn't have a role or specialty on the team.

You can double shift Gaudreau, sit Jankowski five on five and have him kill penalties.

If they are willing to play Rinaldo 5v5 then no reason they shouldn't be willing to play Jankowski 5v5.

I don't think it's a coincidence that the 4 worst games the Flames have played from a possession/chance perspective in the playoffs have been the 4 games Rinaldo has been dressed for.

Jankowski actually looked okay on the wing in the 4 games he's played.

Jankowski:

TOI- 31 minutes
CF% - 50%
HDCF% - 66.7%

Rinaldo:

TOI- 21 minutes
CF%- 34.2%
HDCF%- 22.2%

So Jankowski can be counted on to play more minutes, is getting better results, and also is a great PKer. Team has been physical enough that you don't need to dress Rinaldo to bring that element only to then get hemmed in our zone every time he's on the ice.

[Enoch Root]

you need Jankowski in the lineup so that Lindholm can spend less time on the PK. He needs to start contributing in other ways

[Bingo]

I'm starting to wonder if Lindholm isn't right.

He had those two "early" days during the scrimmages before the team went to Edmonton.

[ricardodw]

You are not supposed to take injuries as excuses but the Flames are missing their regular season best player.

Using the Bingo justification for Gaudreau, Tkachuk at the very least would take up focus and energy defending against him.

Take Heiskanen or even Benn out of the Stars line up and they would be a lot easier to play against.

[Teroy]

Lindholm has disappeared. Forbort is terrible. Why he's on the ice in key situations is beyond me. Mangiapane has done nothing. Gaudreau, contrary to what some thought, did nothing. Most on here could have scored his goal. His assist was just a normal pass that turned into a goal. Other than that he coughed up the puck more times that could be imagined. I sympathise with Monahan having to play with a winger who won't go into the corners. Once again the fans get their hopes up only to see another loss and all kinds of excuses.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm starting to wonder if Lindholm isn't right.

He had those two "early" days during the scrimmages before the team went to Edmonton.

I agree to some extent.

But even more reason that he shouldn't be killing as many penalties then, and they should have Janko in lineup to help alleviate that.