[PGT] Stars 5 Flames 4 (OT)

[flylock shox]

If you'd shown me all but the scoring plays of the last two games, I'd have been happy to find out that the Flames came out of them with a split. Dallas deserved better than 0-2.



On to the next one!

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Man, some of the opinions around here are brutal. Yes, outshot badly but 5 straight penalty kills will account for that. Anyone who thought this series wasn’t going to be a battle is kidding themselves. This is playoff hockey. Take out the PK’s and this game was pretty played pretty even. We were one broken Reider stick away from being up 3-1 and only lost due to another bad luck broken stick. These “series over” “Flames not even in it” “bunch of losers” “Colorado all over again” posts are straight up embarrassing.

Reminds me of games 2 and 4 against Colorado.
Avalanche won those by a single goal, came back late in the third period.
Yep, just like today's game, separated by only "bad luck".

Only difference is that Calgary had better advanced states against Colorado. The the Avalanche could actually finish on their chances (unlike Dallas).

[CaptainCrunch]

Flames were playing with the Stars until the Refs decided on a BS track of 5 straight penalties at least a couple of which were ridiculous.


At the same time, the Stars hook and grab and tackle and hold and nothing. If Treliving wants to make a difference he's on the phone to the league right now.


Of course you're going to get outshot and lose all kinds of momentum with penalty after penalty after penalty. I was overall happy with the first and part of the second.


Lets face it, this wasn't going to be an easy series, the Stars are a pretty deep veteran team, and I really like their blueline. They have the capability to take over games on their own. There's also a pretty major size difference here.


Anyone who wants to say series over, please do us a favor, give up go watch baseball, you make these threads impossible to read through.



Flames need to simplify their breakouts, and they need to figure out that back side board circle of the stars its killing them.



As good as Bennett was, we really miss MT in this series.


Talbot as always been good. But the Flames are missing some emotion and looked worn out.


Its a three games series, this is gut check time, if you think its over then act like it, start a thread on your demands for changes and trades and firings so people can take part or avoid it if they want to.


It ain't over. They'll be vengeance.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by jlh2640

F this team. Unacceptable to see the same crap happen over and over. This series is over and this team needs to make some changes. 3-1 series lead nope. 2-0 series lead nope. Find a way to screw it up. Year after year. They may not win another game this series.

goodbye

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Ashasx

Eventually you lose so frequently in OT in the playoffs and it starts to not hurt as much.

Yeah I'm not even disappointed. Playing against a team with Perry and Cogliano... by the Flames' standards, that wasn't even a choke. It was barely a cough.

I hardly expect anything different at this point. It would help if this team had six NHL-calibre defenders... but right now, they have four. And that's with Giordano slumping to the point where he's on the cusp of being replacement-level.

I understand the Gustafsson acquisition. They needed someone to give the powerplay a boost. His defensive game is ghastly, but it is what it is. But the Derek Forbort acquisition was costly and, to this day, makes no sense. He is a defensive and offensive liability and is the slowest player on either team.

At least guys like Bartkowski and Eriksson had no acquisition cost. The Flames gave up a decent price for a defenseman who's actually a downgrade on the guy they gave away to the Sharks for free.

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Can you post the score-close numbers?

Score & Venue Adjusted, the Flames' numbers are still worse across the board against Dallas compared to Colorado

[WhiteTiger]

Only saw the OT. Talbot is amazing, I was liking what I was seeing out of Lucic.

[dino7c]

Flames missing their best forward were 12 seconds away from a 3-1 series lead

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by mdubz

Thank you. Now these homers can stop denying it.

Again, you're funny. I just don't get calling fans homer.

[Aarongavey]

Originally Posted by AustinL_NHL

Flames 5v5 vs Colorado:

CF%: 45.06%
FF%: 44.26%
SF%: 44.24%
SCF%: 42.49%
HDCF%: 43.75%
xGF%: 39.93%

Flames 5v5 vs Dallas:

CF%: 41.82%
FF%: 40.35%
SF%: 42.03%
SCF%: 34.29%
HDCF%: 36.21%
xGF%: 34.64%

The Flames are literally worse by every single metric this year versus last year. They are simply relying on special teams and praying Talbot plays god-like every game to even stand a chance.

Pathetic.

I have no idea how tbe fancy stats work or where to find them but I would be curious for a period by period breakdown of this game. To my eye they were even or perhaps even a slight advantage for the Flames in the first, blown out in the second and third (with a helping hand from the powerplays as it is tough for any team to get in a 5 on 5 groove killing so many penalties) and then even in OT.

[djsFlames]

This is where i take a two day break from the noise around the series.

Was so excited, I thought we had it. And again after the overturn. Was going to go visit the family and celebrate.

Cruel plot twist by the universe.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by DazzlinDino

You don't sound much like a Flames fan maybe you need a different team to cheer for?

Lord... The "im a bigger fan" bros are tireless. On man u win, Ur a bigger Homer fan, eat a cheesecake.

[SportsJunky]

Honestly, I noticed Gio way more today for his good play than his poor play. He's such a warrior out there blocking shots and tracking pucks. He may be slowing down but I'm glad he's on the team.

Now, Forbort...

[Bingo]

Game Takes: Stars 5 Flames 4 (Series tied 2-2)

- Talbot literally worn out
- good start but the Flames just fade
- far too many penalties
- better team won clearly

[AustinL_NHL]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

These stats have to be normalized to the game situation. Dallas was chasing the game for the last bit and took over these metrics.

This is nothing like last year.

Score & Venue Adjusted, the Flames' numbers against Dallas is still worse across the board compared to Colorado

[Kovaz]

It really boils down to compete level to me.

Bennett-Dube-Lucic are trying to win every puck battle, every shift, for the entire game. Every time there's a loose puck they're flying after it, every time there's a 50/50 they're lowering the shoulder and initiating contact. Bennett's like a pig in #### when he's battling in the corner and laying into guys, and that's why he's so effective.

The rest of the team is only sporadically engaged at that level, at best. Lindholm's unwillingness to engage physically and move his feet on the tying goal cost us big time. That slapper was a dumb play that could've been avoided, but when your guy's in the crease banging at a rebound you can't just stand off to the side and swing your stick and hope. You've gotta be in there, tying up his stick and pushing him out of the crease. Microcosm of what's gone wrong for us in the last two games.

[Jaybo]

Originally Posted by FireItUp

Still don't understand why players don't get off the ice or grab a new stick when theirs breaks.

Conventional wisdom has changed on other aspects of the game...

* Don't pull the goalie before the one minute mark. Now teams regularly do.

* Don't shoot for an empty net until you cross centre ice so you don't get an icing. Now teams regularly do.

Those are a couple quick examples but I'm sure there are others. The game evolves and changes in different ways and I'm in the camp that being without a stick is more of a handicap then rushing to get another one.

[DazzlinDino]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Special teams and goaltending are keeping us in this one alongside great play from depth players - and yeah, sometimes that’s what it takes to win a series.

To me, it’s just agonizing to watch our “top” players get fed during 5v5 play.

It's a learning experience, Flames have not played a lot of playoff hockey as some teams have and a little of it may be coaching. Hopefully they can learn quickly as they go. I remember Darryl Sutter's teams backing up too much during a playoffs and he had to make some adjustments. We have a good group they just have to learn from it.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Abatedmean

Clearly the players really like him and he probably does a good job at getting at the chemistry between the players. However, I am always baffled by how oblivious he is when it comes to in-game management.

How do people know these things?

It’s remarkable.

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

I hardly expect anything different at this point. It would help if this team had six NHL-calibre defenders... but right now, they have four.

Assuming this is true, it's up to the coach to identify that and roll two pairings at ES. The last time we won a playoff series our third pair was Rafael Diaz and Tyler Wotherspoon.