[PGT] Flames 4 - Stars 5

[AC]

Outside of my hot headed frustrations with the Flames players, the reffing was a joke.

The penalty on Gio for the 4th Dallas goal was embarrassing from every angle they showed.

And the super slow mo dissection of a kick in when a player was being hauled down was a complete joke.

Flames got screwed for a goal against and screwed out of a goal for, and still tied it up late despite playing poorly for the most part. Lots to build off of.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by jg13

Anyone breaking up Dube-Bennett-Lucic in their new line proposals assuming Tkachuk is a no go tomorrow needs to stop.

That is exactly what Ward did tonight and they ended up tying it. The line has been great but they are the 3rd line and we aren't beating the top teams in the west if that is our best line. Bennett has confidence and Dube/Lucic have chemistry, I don't see it as a bad thing to promote Bennett, who has become known to be a playoff battler, and inject some life into that top line.

[combustiblefuel]

Originally Posted by Phaneuf_Phan

Gio + Johnny out. Valimaki + Robinson in. For the win.

Ya... they arent rushing a future top d man back from surgery in a weird playoff format to have him burn up is auto protected status from seattle. Juat not going to see that.

[jg13]

Originally Posted by CGY12

That is exactly what Ward did tonight and they ended up tying it. The line has been great but they are the 3rd line and we aren't beating the top teams in the west if that is our best line. Bennett has confidence and Dube/Lucic have chemistry, I don't see it as a bad thing to promote Bennett, who has become known to be a playoff battler, and inject some life into that top line.

They ended up tying it on the power play..

There's just no way I could break up the only line that has been consistently dominant 5 on 5 for us.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by AC

Outside of my hot headed frustrations with the Flames players, the reffing was a joke.

The penalty on Gio for the 4th Dallas goal was embarrassing from every angle they showed.

And the super slow mo dissection of a kick in when a player was being hauled down was a complete joke.

Flames got screwed for a goal against and screwed out of a goal for, and still tied it up late despite playing poorly for the most part. Lots to build off of.

Precisely. This is basically my take home

[Enoch Root]

Not blaming Ward for the loss, but breaking up the 3rd line was a mistake. He had to do something with Tkachuk out, but create 2 lines out of the other 3, and leave the 3rd line as is.

Flames will have last change tomorrow and that should help with matchups.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by jg13

They ended up tying it on the power play..

There's just no way I could break up the only line that has been consistently dominant 5 on 5 for us.

They aren't beating the Stars with the 3rd line being the only line thats dominant. Ward even said it in his post game, he split them up to inject some life into the top 2 lines.

Yes they tied it on the power play but Bennett has confidence, he is going to the dirty areas, finishing his checks, he has a swagger out there. See if that can spark another line and maybe we can manage to have 2 dominant lines. Lucic and Dube play well together, keep them together.

[Enoch Root]

After he split up the 3rd line, Dube and Lucic were non factors the rest of the game.

You can't break up a line that is playing that well and providing your team with that much energy and momentum

[jg13]

Originally Posted by CGY12

They aren't beating the Stars with the 3rd line being the only line thats dominant.

I don't know how you can say that when we won game 1 with our 3rd line being the only one that was dominant.

[Scary Eloranta]

The key takeaways for me tonight:

1. If Tkachuk is done then the Flames are done
2. Our so called number one line is non existent
3. My grandmother could have stopped that short side goal and she’s been dead for 15 years
4. Lucic, Bennet, Dube and Eat Bread are the heart and soul of this team right now. I can’t find any fault with them.


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[Flames Fan, Ph.D.]

Originally Posted by AC

And the super slow mo dissection of a kick in when a player was being hauled down was a complete joke.

No league has really figured out this review thing. You could see on the replay that he was being pulled down by this jersey. Having a system where the refs are rationalizing a falling player kicking the puck while ignoring the penalty that he’s being subjected to is pointless.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by jg13

I don't know how you can say that when we won game 1 with our 3rd line being the only one that was dominant.

Because thats 1 game man. In order to win the series you need 4. Do you honestly think that we can win a best of 7 with our 3rd line playing all world and every other line ****ing the bed?

[jg13]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Because thats 1 game man. In order to win the series you need 4. Do you honestly think that we can win a best of 7 with our 3rd line playing all world and every other line ****ing the bed?

Oh when you said beat the Stars you meant win the series, not beat them in a single game.

I understand you want to spread the players that are playing well throughout the lineup but we'll agree to disagree that breaking up 29-93-17 is the answer to get other lines going.

[Sheva #7]

how does Johny not cover his man on the last goal? no defensive awareness. I think we need to trade him before it's too late. At least Monahan showed some physicality...Lindholm was grinding defensively but not sure what Johhny was doing out there the whole game...

[browna]

Originally Posted by Flames Fan, Ph.D.

No league has really figured out this review thing. You could see on the replay that he was being pulled down by this jersey. Having a system where the refs are rationalizing a falling player kicking the puck while ignoring the penalty that he’s being subjected to is pointless.

Even though he was falling down/getting pulled, EatBread pretty clearly saw, and adjusted the one skate that made contact with the puck, and give the slightest of nudges forward as well. Enough on a super slow replay to see that subtle adjustment, and, intent. We've seen less count as a goal for sure, but I can see where that ruling came from.

There was a decent chance if he didn't do either of those motions, it still would've pinballed in after hitting his skate though.

[CGY12]

Originally Posted by jg13

Oh when you said beat the Stars you meant win the series, not beat them in a single game.

I understand you want to spread the players that are playing well throughout the lineup but we'll agree to disagree that breaking up 29-93-17 is the answer to get other lines going.

Ya I meant the series. I'm not basing this only on the last 2 games either. Johnny and Monahan have been career busts in the Stanley Cup playoffs. 5 on 5 they have to be one of the worst duos in a long long time. I think they need to be split up and I think Bennett needs to play with one of them.

The Flames will lose this series if that line is the only line firing on all cylinders, and based on previous performances I don't exactly have a lot of faith in the top guys to figure it out on their own without mixing things up.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by AC

Outside of my hot headed frustrations with the Flames players, the reffing was a joke.

The penalty on Gio for the 4th Dallas goal was embarrassing from every angle they showed.

And the super slow mo dissection of a kick in when a player was being hauled down was a complete joke.

Flames got screwed for a goal against and screwed out of a goal for, and still tied it up late despite playing poorly for the most part. Lots to build off of.

Yeah. It took a lot of external factors going against them to make that a regulation loss, even with the underwhelming play. Different set of eyes making the calls in that game and it could've been 5-3 or 5-4 Flames even with the partial effort.

In light of that, might be worth pumping the brakes on the doom and gloom. Was just not their night on a lot of fronts.

[Kidder]

Yeah lots not to like in that game.

But given the game 2 curse, the flames history of sagging after a solid performance, the loss was certainly predictable.

The battle they showed was nice to see. I’ll hold back on the tongue thrashings until I see what unfolds in game 3.

My only demand is put in BSD. Even if it’s just to rest and reset Talbot a game. He hasn’t looked the same as the Jets series.

[camm13]

Originally Posted by CGY12

Gaudreau - Backlund - Mangiapane: Johnny needs to play with a centre who can actually carry the puck up the ice and has good hockey sense
Bennett - Monahan - Lindholm: Monahan needs a player who can lay the body and dig the puck out of the corners
Lucic - Dube - Tkachuck: Dube is a natural centre no?
Jankowski - Ryan - Reider

If Tkachuk is a no go i'd bring in Quine. He has decent size and hands, not a bad skater either.

Oh god, backlund and gaudreau were a disaster when they were put together last year. Both carrying the puck, crashing into each other, zero chemistry and no connection on passes

[AC]

Originally Posted by browna

Even though he was falling down/getting pulled, EatBread pretty clearly saw, and adjusted the one skate that made contact with the puck, and give the slightest of nudges forward as well. Enough on a super slow replay to see that subtle adjustment, and, intent. We've seen less count as a goal for sure, but I can see where that ruling came from.

There was a decent chance if he didn't do either of those motions, it still would've pinballed in after hitting his skate though.

Yeah, it's one of those plays where in super slow motion it looks damning. At full speed I just can't agree with the call though. Some of these reviews seem like they need to be exclusively analyzed at full speed only IMO as everything looks intentional in super slow mo (Tkachuk's skate skipping up into Scheifele for example).