It's not that intriguing. People aren't arguing that BLM is "right except for," almost no such argument is being made about the rightness or wrongness of ideas like defunding the police or reparations. I think I'm the only one who has, and I suggest defunding the police was right (not wrong).
There also hasn't been any argument about some aspects being controversial, so why would you find it interesting that topics you already believe are controversial are... in fact... controversial... when nobody has argued otherwise? I stated defunding the police was "as controversial" as the concept of black lives matter, and my point was pretty clearly that it is controversial.
Be honest, are you capable of nuance or no? Because things like this look silly.
Well, they were certainly founded by marxists, so I certainly would have no qualms if they labelled themselves as such (although to date they haven't). But either way, we're shaving that argument a little thin.
My point all along is that they are clever to call themselves with something uncontroversial, while espousing policies that are controversial. This way you can use the uncontroversial name to cudgel your critics when they want to discuss the controversial bits. This thread has provided ample evidence to this strategy.
This way you can use the uncontroversial name to cudgel your critics when they want to discuss the controversial bits. This thread has provided ample evidence to this strategy.
I'm fairly convinced you haven't grasped anything in this thread based on your responses, but sure, evidence galore. Mountains of it. You got us all by... *checks notes* ignoring everything that doesn't fit your narrative and assuming the positions of others so you can argue against the positions you made up. Fun strategy.
"People are saying this"
"Nobody said that, provide an example"
"People are saying this!"
"Ok, example?"
"People! People are saying it!"
I think eventually you'll realise that performative intellectualism is great in college, but you actually have to know what you're talking about and have some critical thinking skills to provide any value in a discussion. Repeating what you read might help you pass a test, but the real world is scary if you can't understand concepts and nuanced ideas fam. Good luck.
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"People are saying this"
"Nobody said that, provide an example"
In the spirit of your point: I'm interested in whether or not you have found anyone saying that black lives don't matter? I've asked, you have avoided the question (which is actually an important one).
In the spirit of your point: I'm interested in whether or not you have found anyone saying that black lives don't matter? I've asked, you have avoided the question (which is actually an important one).
That isn’t the antithesis of BLM though.
They are demanding that the unspoken, but statistically proven, racism against the black community stops. In particular, deaths by police.
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Reason: I think I’m lost.
I think one of the more telling admissions lately was Barbara Boxer saying she never would have voted in favour of creating the DHS if she had been able to envision its abuse against U.S. citizens
And I think much the same can be said for most of those who were in favour of the Iraq war back then; they wouldn't have been in favour of it if they had known how disastrous it was going to turn out. It is an unproven assumption to say that Bush et al had malicious intent at the time. Think about what you would do as president back then - your country is fresh off a direct attack on its soil which killed thousands, your generals and intelligence agencies are screaming at you to go into Iraq to disable Saddam's WMD capability, and your country is in the mood for war and retribution. Saying no to going into Iraq wouldn't have been as easy a decision as we would like to think it was.
But since we're talking about death counts, the death toll attributable to climate change will in all likelihood dwarf the death toll of the Iraq war. Bush refused to implement Kyoto citing economic reasons, but he did not flat out deny climate change as Trump has done. To me, that is a significant difference.
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This is why I can't even get behind the notion that Trump is worst president ever. Most embarrassing? Absolutely. But the absolute carnage, destruction, death, and human rights abuses, abuses of power, etc., that have gone on under almost every other single president since the end WW2 (Carter possibly being the lone exception) the destruction caused by the Trump administration. Most of that is largely due to Trump's incompetence rather than who he is as a person, but some of you really need to turn off MSNBC and read some history if you truly think this president holds a candle to some of the other monsters on the list.
Ok, maybe I need to read some history. In the meantime though, here are some resources I would recommend that you take a look at to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the Trump presidency.
In the spirit of your point: I'm interested in whether or not you have found anyone saying that black lives don't matter? I've asked, you have avoided the question (which is actually an important one).
Haha dude I've addressed this question twice with plenty of context, but the yes/no element of this one is an "important one" to you? I skipped it because it's irrelevant, obviously "yes", and just a basic google search will provide you with plenty of examples:
That took me 2 minutes to collect, and you've never even heard of people uttering the phrase, ever? In your whole life? From anywhere?
I didn't know I'd have to stick to context-less yes/no answers where the answer is obvious and act like your personal google for this conversation. Want me to come over and cut your meat for you too? Maybe pick out your clothes? Bro, lol. What a disappointment this has been. I thought if someone used the word "gauche" they'd at least have read a book, but I wouldn't have guessed the only book they'd read was the thesaurus.
Be honest, where'd you get those links to the BLM pdf from 2017, or the video from 2015? I know you didn't find that yourself. Come on, let's hear it.
