WCQF: Dallas Stars (3) vs Calgary Flames (6) (Stars lead 3-2)

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by Huntingwhale

To further add to Perry being a ######, anybody remember this shameful goal?? One of the worst non-calls I've ever seen that didn't get anywhere near the attention it deserved.

It's 2017 Flames vs Ducks Game 3 and Corey Perry skates by the Flames' bench trying to get his stick. He starts punching 2 Flames players on the bench. Penalty right? Right in front of the ref?

Hell no. Ducks go the other way and score seconds later.

No penalty, no whistle. Game over. Flames get swept the next game.



Yeah, #### Corey Perry.

**** you, Elliott!

[ssjshmo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Not even close. Perry is what Tkachuk might grow up to be. Perry would have been running around warning the Jets that he might put them down Schiefele-style

yep!

https://twitter.com/user/status/746381971996041216

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

That is why Talbot was the MVP against the Jets. So used to the Flames goalie letting in a momentum changing goal.

Not even close.

That's what happens when fans/media focus on final scores and the nuts and bolts that got them there.

The Flames had the lowest xGA/60 of any of the 24 teams in all situations at 2.03. They allowed the 6th least shots/60, and the 2nd lowest high danger chance/60 (Philly 1st).

The MVP was either offensive depth or team defense given those numbers.

Talbot was solid with his overall numbers, but they were largely earned on the backs of who he is ... a solid goaltender that doesn't get beat with the easy ones.

He has a 1.000% low danger save percentage and a 0.970 medium danger save percentage (good for 10th spot).

His high danger save percentage was .706 though, 5th worst of any of the 34 goaltenders that have played in the play ins.

The Flames just didn't give up anything.

[taxbuster]

Originally Posted by Tsawwassen

Khudobin is a decent backup goalie.

Except that they call him "Dobby" ... and that's the name of my dog....

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Not even close.

That's what happens when fans/media focus on final scores and the nuts and bolts that got them there.

The Flames had the lowest xGA/60 of any of the 24 teams in all situations at 2.03. They allowed the 6th least shots/60, and the 2nd lowest high danger chance/60 (Philly 1st).

The MVP was either offensive depth or team defense given those numbers.

Talbot was solid with his overall numbers, but they were largely earned on the backs of who he is ... a solid goaltender that doesn't get beat with the easy ones.

He has a 1.000% low danger save percentage and a 0.970 medium danger save percentage (good for 10th spot).

His high danger save percentage was .706 though, 5th worst of any of the 34 goaltenders that have played in the play ins.

The Flames just didn't give up anything.

The numbers don't matter.

Talbot gives up an Elliot goal where the whole team on the ice does their jobs pretty close to as best as possible and the whole team sags. the xGF % goes to H*** in a handbasket. The other team gets a spark and starts playing better.

Players start trying to prevent the other guys from shooting

Name the last Flame goalie that went 4 important games without letting in a softie.

Do you really think that this Flame team somehow became so mentally strong that they would be able to overlook poor or sloppy goal-tending and keep on doing their own jobs??

Talbot is giving the Flames the opportunity to stick to their game plan.


PS the guy throws a shutout in the most important game that Gio has played in in his whole career and Ho-Hum just doing what he is supposed to.

[Cali Panthers Fan]

^Do I...do I actually agree with Ricardo on something?

Chalk another one up for a weird 2020.

[Enoch Root]

It's true that he didn't give up a softie.

And it MAY be true that if he did, the Flames might have folded.

That however, DOES NOT make Talbot the MVP of the series. He did his job, and he did it well. But the Flames gave up very little and won the series by being the decisively better team.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The numbers don't matter.

Talbot gives up an Elliot goal where the whole team on the ice does their jobs pretty close to as best as possible and the whole team sags. the xGF % goes to H*** in a handbasket. The other team gets a spark and starts playing better.

Players start trying to prevent the other guys from shooting

Name the last Flame goalie that went 4 important games without letting in a softie.

Do you really think that this Flame team somehow became so mentally strong that they would be able to overlook poor or sloppy goal-tending and keep on doing their own jobs??

Talbot is giving the Flames the opportunity to stick to their game plan.

I'm gonna have to agree with this. It's oftentimes not about the number of saves, but the timing of when those saves were made. Stats won't tell that picture. I'd say the fact that Talbot did not give up a weak goal at a bad time was really nice to see. It gave the team confidence to keep pressing without that "oh crap here we go again" feeling when they are let down by their goalie.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The numbers don't matter.

Talbot gives up an Elliot goal where the whole team on the ice does their jobs pretty close to as best as possible and the whole team sags. the xGF % goes to H*** in a handbasket. The other team gets a spark and starts playing better.

Players start trying to prevent the other guys from shooting

Name the last Flame goalie that went 4 important games without letting in a softie.

Do you really think that this Flame team somehow became so mentally strong that they would be able to overlook poor or sloppy goal-tending and keep on doing their own jobs??

Talbot is giving the Flames the opportunity to stick to their game plan.


PS the guy throws a shutout in the most important game that Gio has played in in his whole career and Ho-Hum just doing what he is supposed to.

It’s the only thing I’ve been asking for since kipper. Give us a goalie who always makes the easy saves, especially when it counts, and we will be fine.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The numbers don't matter.

Talbot gives up an Elliot goal where the whole team on the ice does their jobs pretty close to as best as possible and the whole team sags. the xGF % goes to H*** in a handbasket. The other team gets a spark and starts playing better.

Players start trying to prevent the other guys from shooting

Name the last Flame goalie that went 4 important games without letting in a softie.

Do you really think that this Flame team somehow became so mentally strong that they would be able to overlook poor or sloppy goal-tending and keep on doing their own jobs??

Talbot is giving the Flames the opportunity to stick to their game plan.


PS the guy throws a shutout in the most important game that Gio has played in in his whole career and Ho-Hum just doing what he is supposed to.

This is a pretty good post and does make me appreciate Talbot's performance just a little more. I can listen to the argument that he was the MVP of the series for a team that played very well across the board.

He didn't steal the series mind you.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

The numbers don't matter.

Talbot gives up an Elliot goal where the whole team on the ice does their jobs pretty close to as best as possible and the whole team sags. the xGF % goes to H*** in a handbasket. The other team gets a spark and starts playing better.

Players start trying to prevent the other guys from shooting

Name the last Flame goalie that went 4 important games without letting in a softie.

Do you really think that this Flame team somehow became so mentally strong that they would be able to overlook poor or sloppy goal-tending and keep on doing their own jobs??

Talbot is giving the Flames the opportunity to stick to their game plan.


PS the guy throws a shutout in the most important game that Gio has played in in his whole career and Ho-Hum just doing what he is supposed to.

I'm not anti-Talbot.

If you had said it's great to see a Calgary goaltender not give up a softie and leave it at that I'd agree with you ... pretty much what I predicted in the series coming in. Talbot stands in like Reggie Lemelin, and doesn't give up the easy ones.

But he gets in trouble moving in high danger situations.

You, however, called him the team's MVP not just a guy that avoided giving up a back breaking softie.

That's completely different.

And the numbers do matter.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I'm not anti-Talbot.

If you had said it's great to see a Calgary goaltender not give up a softie and leave it at that I'd agree with you ... pretty much what I predicted in the series coming in. Talbot stands in like Reggie Lemelin, and doesn't give up the easy ones.

But he gets in trouble moving in high danger situations.

You, however, called him the team's MVP not just a guy that avoided giving up a back breaking softie.

That's completely different.

And the numbers do matter.

I just went back and watched the 3 minute recap of the game. At the Start of the 3rd period Ehlers split the defense and had Talbot with no one between them and Talbot made the save.

Then Ehlers got in one-on one and Talbot stopped him.

Connors had him on a cross-crease pass and Talbot made the save

Roslovic hits the post on a cross crease pass.... So the Flames team defense gave up 4 4-alarm scoring chances in a 2-0 game in the third period that were worthy of being in a 3 minute highlight package of the game.

Any one of those goes in and the game changes. There are turning points in a game and Talbot won at least 3 of his bailing out his team.


PS Ehlers goal goes in a the start of the period and the CP talk would be what the heck were Brodie and Gio doing giving up a goal on a 1 on two break away to start the 3rd period.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I just went back and watched the 3 minute recap of the game. At the Start of the 3rd period Ehlers split the defense and had Talbot with no one between them and Talbot made the save.

Then Ehlers got in one-on one and Talbot stopped him.

Connors had him on a cross-crease pass and Talbot made the save

Roslovic hits the post on a cross crease pass.... So the Flames team defense gave up 4 4-alarm scoring chances in a 2-0 game in the third period that were worthy of being in a 3 minute highlight package of the game.

Any one of those goes in and the game changes. There are turning points in a game and Talbot won at least 3 of his bailing out his team.

I think two of those four chances were actually pretty low-danger shots. The Ehlers one where he was moving to his left and threw the puck the other way, and the cross crease pass. In both cases Talbot had to read the play and the save itself was pretty standard.

Similarly I would have viewed either goal as soft if it had gotten through, or if Talbot hadn't read the play well.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I just went back and watched the 3 minute recap of the game.....

I just went outside and it's raining.

I’m building an ark.

[ricardodw]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I think two of those four chances were actually pretty low-danger shots. The Ehlers one where he was moving to his left and threw the puck the other way, and the cross crease pass. In both cases Talbot had to read the play and the save itself was pretty standard.

Similarly I would have viewed either goal as soft if it had gotten through, or if Talbot hadn't read the play well.

Yep .. the best defense is to let the opposition in with the puck on their forehand with no one between them and the goalie because the goalie should make those saves all the time.

Interesting defense strategy... Ranks up there with Cherry's don't block the shots because 1 out of 50 will get deflected on the net.

I think you are bringing on bad Karma by under valuing Talbot.


PS. Must have been an extremely boring game if these 4 easy saves were all they could find to put on a 3 minute recap.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

I just went back and watched the 3 minute recap of the game. At the Start of the 3rd period Ehlers split the defense and had Talbot with no one between them and Talbot made the save.

Then Ehlers got in one-on one and Talbot stopped him.

Connors had him on a cross-crease pass and Talbot made the save

Roslovic hits the post on a cross crease pass.... So the Flames team defense gave up 4 4-alarm scoring chances in a 2-0 game in the third period that were worthy of being in a 3 minute highlight package of the game.

Any one of those goes in and the game changes. There are turning points in a game and Talbot won at least 3 of his bailing out his team.


PS Ehlers goal goes in a the start of the period and the CP talk would be what the heck were Brodie and Gio doing giving up a goal on a 1 on two break away to start the 3rd period.

So Talbot made some saves? Cool. Love it when goalies do that.

[GioforPM]

Saying a goalie is an MVP because he let in no softies seems OTT. However, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who stood out more than Talbot. Bennett had a good series but a lot of that is "playing better than normal" as opposed to "playing better than everyone else". I thought Rasmus was very noticeable in a good way, Lindholm was pretty darn good, Monahan was pretty clutch in certain depts. But when in doubt, a goalie always has an MVP edge.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

Yep .. the best defense is to let the opposition in with the puck on their forehand with no one between them and the goalie because the goalie should make those saves all the time.

Interesting defense strategy... Ranks up there with Cherry's don't block the shots because 1 out of 50 will get deflected on the net.

I think you are bringing on bad Karma by under valuing Talbot.


PS. Must have been an extremely boring game if these 4 easy saves were all they could find to put on a 3 minute recap.

You just answered your own question: the reason those shots were on the highlight reel was BECAUSE the Jets got so few good chances.

[Enoch Root]

Originally Posted by GioforPM

Saying a goalie is an MVP because he let in no softies seems OTT. However, I'm hard pressed to think of anyone who stood out more than Talbot. Bennett had a good series but a lot of that is "playing better than normal" as opposed to "playing better than everyone else". I thought Rasmus was very noticeable in a good way, Lindholm was pretty darn good, Monahan was pretty clutch in certain depts. But when in doubt, a goalie always has an MVP edge.

Bennett's entire line, Mangiapane, Backlund, Monahan, Tkachuk (for a while)...

Brodie, Andersson, Hanifin, Gustafsson and Forbort were great as a 3rd pair...

Hard to pick an MVP when the team was really good across the board.

To say Talbot was the MVP is an insult to the way the team played IMO.

[GioforPM]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Bennett's entire line, Mangiapane, Backlund, Monahan, Tkachuk (for a while)...

Brodie, Andersson, Hanifin, Gustafsson and Forbort were great as a 3rd pair...

Hard to pick an MVP when the team was really good across the board.

To say Talbot was the MVP is an insult to the way the team played IMO.

Oh I agree. I'm just saying when the team plays well as a whole, people tend to look at the goalie because they are the most obvious.