[PGT] Jets 3 Flames 2

[kyuss275]

Originally Posted by nik-

But we're not discovering that just now. The motivation/heart problems on this core have been presenting for a while now. Sticking by the players that need to be changed too long is a GM problem. Whether that's exasperated by ownership (which I think is a safe assumption) is another thing.

Stability is fantastic, when it's earned.

The first time they realized it was last playoffs . They had a great season that year. I can’t blame BT giving this core one more chance . I have said this many times but Kadri nixing that trade this summer really hurt us. There’s a guy who hates to lose and doesn’t take nights off. With the way Mony has played this series , I have no doubt that Kadri would have taken his place on top line today. While not a true #1 center he can carry the puck himself and generate shots himself. Plus play with Jam.

I get if things do t go well for rest of season trading Johnny and replacing him with Hall. I’m not sure what they do with Mony? It’s not like someone is trading us an elite center. Money probably has the safest job as far as trades go on the roster. We need center depth.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Yeah, obviously. I more so mean the balance of bounces and deflections. Flames had a big number of bounces that could’ve been something, but that number could have been higher because too often they were caught playing fancy. The more you look for deflections and bounces, the more that might go your way. That’s what kind of series this is, and the goals today back that up.

Fair point. It was also tough to watch Lucic take two swipes at that puck and get no love

[calumniate]

Originally Posted by CsInMyBlood

I like the guys that continually defend Sam Bennett calling the penalty weak. Ehlers JUST got called for the same #### yet its somehow not Sam Bennetts fault?

Almost every game Bennett takes a stupid, selfish, absolutely no reason penalty at an important point of the game. He does not learn from them. Ever. Its pretty obvious he never will.

Its a broken record. Over and over again.

The IQ just isn't there. How anyone can deny that is beyond me.

Agreed. A guy like Tkachuk is way more calculating. Bennett's penalties in all three games have been selfish. Frigg off already or read a book ya dummy

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

You take penalties when you're emotionally engaged.

I'll take Bennett's penalties and 6 points in his last 7 playoff games over Johnny and Sean's emotionless, useless hockey. At least we'd lose while putting in hard nosed effort, rather than fading because you're too afraid to play with pace and can't take the pain.

You also take stupid penalties when you have the hockey IQ of a shoe lace.

But besides that, how about a happy medium. A little more intensity from everyone would be great, but a few less brain dead penalties from a select few would also be great.

[DeluxeMoustache]

And the troll wins

[Winsor_Pilates]

Originally Posted by VANFLAMESFAN

I don’t think you’re remembering how bad some of those games were last year. Flames were very disappointing today but at no point were they just flat out dominated the way they were in game 3 last year vs Colorado. Hell even the game they won last year, they were dominated but it was an all time performance from Smith to get them the W.

You're taking the quality of opponent out of the equation though.
If we played Colorado with today's effort, you're probably looking at a 8-10 point night between McKinnon, Raantanen & Landeskog.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by SuperMatt18

Let’s look at our d-pairings after 2 games as well:

Gio-Brodie
CF%: 41.0%
xGF%: 41.0%
GF: 0
GA: 2

I’ve actually liked Brodie’s game but Gio has been a turnover machine. He needs to find his game quickly. A bit muddy as well since they’ve been paired up with the 4th line when they’ve been on the ice.

Anderson-Hanifin
CF%: 58.8%
xGF%: 64.7
GF: 1
GA: 1

Shift to shift Andersson has probably been our most consistent and best player so far this series.

Gustaffson-Forbort
CF%: 46.4%
xGF%: 41.3%
GF: 0
GA: 0

They’ve been okay I’ve thought for a third pairing and Forborts been great on the PK.

Could you please provide the stats for the jets dpairing? I think the flames d is GROSSLY overrated. I'd imagine that over the course of the series not only are the flames d as good as everyone assumed they'd be on paper, but that the jets d could outplay the flames d.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by calumniate

Agreed. A guy like Tkachuk is way more calculating. Bennett's penalties in all three games have been selfish. Frigg off already or read a book ya dummy

At least Bennett scored. Tkachuk has been invisible. Has he even touched the puck in the jets zone 5 on 5? Highest paid forward on the team and the most he's mustered is a missed hit.

[La Flames Fan]

I am getting Johnny fatigue, I have to admit.

Predictable, soft, and suddenly unable to execute or make plays.

[Geeoff]

I wonder if we could add Gawdin or Quine for game 3 to inject some energy into the 4th line.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by La Flames Fan

I am getting Johnny fatigue, I have to admit.

Predictable, soft, and suddenly unable to execute or make plays.

Seemed to have pretty good hands in game 1 when they put him on his off wing on the PP

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I wonder if we could add Gawdin or Quine for game 3 to inject some energy into the 4th line.

Gawdin didn't make the taxi squad. High ankle sprain.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bubbsy

At least Bennett scored. Tkachuk has been invisible. Has he even touched the puck in the jets zone 5 on 5? Highest paid forward on the team and the most he's mustered is a missed hit.

Only read a page or two of the thread, but to summarize your insights;

The GM should be fired
The coach isn’t going to cut it
We should be thanking Sutter and Feaster
The flames D core is grossly overrated
Tkachuk has been invisible

Kind of on an emotional tear tonight aren’t we?

[La Flames Fan]

Originally Posted by DeluxeMoustache

Seemed to have pretty good hands in game 1 when they put him on his off wing on the PP

Good goal, yes, but otherwise kind of a giveaway machine.

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Only read a page or two of the thread, but to summarize your insights;

The GM should be fired
The coach isn’t going to cut it
We should be thanking Sutter and Feaster
The flames D core is grossly overrated
Tkachuk has been invisible

Kind of on an emotional tear tonight aren’t we?

Well, to be fair, points 1 and 3 are the same. The core that can't win has been put together thanks to previous regimes. The current gm hasn't done much of anything to improve the core. I actually haven't said anything negative about the coach (just brought up that the gm has had 3 coaches so far).

Flames d being overrated isn't really a hot take, outside of Brodie/andersson and at times gio, the rest kind of suck.

Tkachuk being invisible in the series is an obvious observation 2 games in.

I am over emotional, you got me there. As a lifelong flames fan, I have a hard time getting behind this current iteration of the team and giving any kind of benefit of the doubt anymore. The flames fan in me is excited to watch my team play playoff hockey, but I find myself disliking the flames more than the opposition for a while now.

[VANFLAMESFAN]

Originally Posted by Winsor_Pilates

You're taking the quality of opponent out of the equation though.
If we played Colorado with today's effort, you're probably looking at a 8-10 point night between McKinnon, Raantanen & Landeskog.

Nah, I really wasn’t. I get what you’re trying to say but I’ll disagree with the overall comment.

It obviously wasn’t a good effort, I’m not defending it, but the flames have played worse this regular season and definitely against the Avs last playoffs.

They were very lacklustre today, but not boys against men.

[dino7c]

Jets in 3
Jets in 4
Jets in 5

Why do some of you even bother...just watch the games. We can can discuss the off season in the off season

[SportsJunky]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

Best of three against a depleted Jets team with their all star goalie playing average.

Any takers? Anyone? Bueller? Bueller?

I'm with you on this. Calgary is in a good position to win this series. I get why folks are a little ticked off with the team but jeez, let's see how it plays out. I like their chances.

[Igottago]

Any team with elite players would have been licking their chops to face off against a very weakened opponent and take a choke hold on the series. Today was basically a lay up for a team that had any desire to win. Instead, the Flames just did what the Flames do, which is be happy to have won game one and think the hard work was over.

The players that the organization has built around -- Johnny and Monahan -- aren't the guys that are going to feast on weak opponents. I don't know what happened to them, at one time they seemed to be that type of player. But they haven't shown that for at least a year and a half, and have barely ever shown it in the playoffs, not for years now anyways.

This team might figure out a way to win by committee and get past the Jets but they aren't going much further. When 2/3 of your top line seem like complimentary players and rarely drive the play to the other team, you are in trouble. Honestly, when was the last time you had any excitement for the top players of this team jumping over the boards to take it to the other team?

[bubbsy]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Jets in 3
Jets in 4
Jets in 5

Why do some of you even bother...just watch the games. We can can discuss the off season in the off season

You're right.

I'm sorry. Will keep the chatter to the games themselves.