[PGT] Jets 3 Flames 2

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Yep teams often step up after losing a big player...in the short term anyway. Us against the world, simple game, hard work, nothing to lose ect.

This is not to excuse the Flames but it's not like it's the first time a team won a game missing players.

Precisely.

It actually happens a ton in hockey. Its not because the Flames are some anomaly of awfulness.

So the jump bought the jets a game.

As for the series, the Flames have plenty of say in that from here on out.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by dammage79

its Size for me. Gaudreau can't take the abuse of a run. I am convinced of this.

The real problem is that Gaudreau shouldn’t be the one constantly trying to make things happen. Same goes for Tkachuk. The Flames‘ best playmakers are their wingers which doesn’t generally translate into the playoffs.

Monahan needs to start carrying the play more, drawing double teams for his 2 wingers like a #1 center normally does. We saw this with Gaudreau and MacKinnon in the world cup. When Gaudreau has the time to make plays, he can be extremely dangerous. But when he’s constantly the one expected to do it all, it’s predictable to defend. The same thing happened to Iggy, it’s happening with Gaudreau now and it’ll happen with Tkachuk.

Rinse and repeat.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by MisterJoji

Alright then, keep your debbie downer attitude. Are we expecting them to be lights out, every game, all playoffs? We barely lost playing terribly and hit two posts in the third. The officiating was terrible both ways. Jets pushed back well and played harder. We just need to do the same tomorrow.

Surely you can understand the responses though, no? This team has an established recent history of doing just what they did today.

It's also playoff hockey - so of course emotions around here are going to be dialled up to 11! Just like the emotions on the ice!

...oh wait

“It’s an emotional time of year but you can’t put your team at risk. We’ve got to clean that up.” - Geoff ward on the Flames undisciplined penalties, especially late in the Flames’ 3-2 loss.

Ah, typical Flames coaching. Just a typical response. No emotion from the coach of an emotionless team.

[1qqaaz]

Bright side is that the Jets haven't looked great in either game.
It's in the Flames' hands.

[OldSam]

Well, that was a complete disappointment. Jets adjust their game. Flames don't. Just lacking any form of killer instinct. Let's see what happens tomorrow.

Having watched the Canes dismantle the Rangers right before the Flames game, I sure wish the Flames had that drive, consistency, and will to win.

[Bingo]

Game Takes: Jets 3 Flames 2 (Series tied at 1)
Game Story

- Flames powerplay let them down
- And if it wasn't the powerplay it was the discipline
- And if it wasn't the discipline it was some sketchy officiating

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Have you ever seen either of them play so poorly? I don't know if Giordano in particular made it through a single shift without a turnover.

Re-read your statement. You compared their poor performance to the poor performance of every member of the Calgary Flames, ever. Which is simply ridiculous.

And yes, I've seen both play this bad before. This was Monahan every second game this season.

[D as in David]

A mediocre team beat by a hard-working, focused mediocre team.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Bright side is that the Jets haven't looked great in either game.
It's in the Flames' hands.

The Jets are a 9th seed team missing 2 of their best players. Is this the bar we're setting?

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Bright side is that the Jets haven't looked great in either game.
It's in the Flames' hands.

They really haven't tbh.

If the Flames lose it then it's because they dropped the ball in a big way somehow and were their own worst enemy.

If they stick to their game and not go into reactionary mode I have a tough time seeing them not come out of it on top.

Far as I'm concerned the door to the top 16 is open and they just have to walk through it.

[the-rasta-masta]

Well the Flames actually have a coach who has been a part of the coaching staff of a Stanley Cup winning team, and went to the third round and second round in other years with the Bruins. I’m sure he picked up some good experience from that experience.

I have a feeling the big game from the Jets today is an outlier, and tomorrow on the second day of a back to back you’ll see the Flames take advantage.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Treliving has made good moves with players and some good value signings, but his coaching selections have been poor. The character of the team under his management has been weak.

The character of the team has been weak under 3 coaches.
Maybe it's their actual character.
Edit: Actually 4 coaches. Though Hartley got something out of the group, they then tuned him out.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Itse

You're forgetting Hartley. That guy played the media like a fiddle at times. Also had plenty of experience before leading the team to playoffs, also won a round.

It's almost like playoff experience is a good thing for a coach. Maybe we should try getting that.

That's a good point.

Hartley isn't a very good coach (noted by his complete lack of absence in the NHL since he left here), but he's still the best coach we've had since Darryl.

That is just baffling when you think about it.

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

The character of the team has been weak under 3 coaches.
Maybe it's their actual character.

Yeah, to me it is very clearly poor coaching and a poor core. It'd be lovely if it was just one of the two, but it's not.

[midniteowl]

Originally Posted by 868904

Even if the Flames win this series, I just don't see that they have what it takes to be a champion.

The core lacks size and speed. They either have size but are slow (Tkachuk, Monahan) or have speed but are weak (Gaudreau and Mangiapane).

Lindholm and Backlund are probably the two most suited for the playoffs but both guys are more complimentary pieces and would be the 5th and 6th top forwards on real contenders.

I think the core forward group needs to add at least two guys who have that size/speed/skill combination.

Go after Hall in the Summer and flip Monahan and/or Gaudreau for a top 6 forward with size and speed.

I have a question, an honest question. Is Hall a complimentary player? Size and speed is what every team want, if Monahan and Gaudreau are so bad, how can the Flames trade them for size and speed? Again, honest questions.

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Table 5

Re-read your statement. You compared their poor performance to the poor performance of every member of the Calgary Flames, ever. Which is simply ridiculous.

And yes, I've seen both play this bad before. This was Monahan every second game this season.

No, every member I've ever seen! That's different... anyway, in terms of failing to show up when it truly matters most and looking alarmingly behind the play, I have not seen Monahan and especially Giordano look as bad as they did today. Gio in particular looked, for the first time to me at least, painfully slow.

But it's a matinee, so, whatever.

[djsFlames]

Who do you guys want to see draw in for Rinaldo?

[GranteedEV]

Originally Posted by 868904

Even if the Flames win this series, I just don't see that they have what it takes to be a champion.

The core lacks size and speed. They either have size but are slow (Tkachuk, Monahan) or have speed but are weak (Gaudreau and Mangiapane).

Mangiapane is weak? what? He's got a really sturdy build.

[OldSam]

So the coaches weren't happy. Gosh, darn.

I wonder what they are prepared to do? Because I haven't seen much this season.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Game Takes: Jets 3 Flames 2 (Series tied at 1)
Game Story

- Flames powerplay let them down
- And if it wasn't the powerplay it was the discipline
- And if it wasn't the discipline it was some sketchy officiating

And if it wasnt the sketchy officiating, it was their 4 highest paid players.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by nik-

Stability isn't a virtue when it breeds mediocrity.

Well we know with this organization instability has bred mediocrity.
Why not try something different.