[PGT] Flames play well, can't capitalize. Oilers win 4-1

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Dion

Dube was more noticeable that Johnny.

Dube was fine...I liked his hustle. Gaudreau did some really good things too though and actually ended up on the score sheet....and broke some dudes ankles.


Pretty sure this is the most over analyzed pre-season game of all time

[chedder]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Pretty sure this is the most over analyzed pre-season game of all time

Can you really blame fans though? This 5 game play-in series on Saturday is the start of seeing whether or not this team needs a tweak or a tear down.

[GS Skier]

Just for perspective who else watched some of the Leafs/Habs exhibition? It was tame physically compared to ours. Further I only watch 25 minutes but for awhile I wondered if Tavares, Mathews and Marner were even dressed. Kapanen and Rielly were flying but until Mathews got shot away from the outside late in the 3rd I barely noticed them. All I'm saying is Oilers/Flames was exhibition and I agree wit the eyeball test.

I know McDavid got 2 however I loved how both Gio and Brodie cut him off and pushed him past the net a few times when he is flying down the wing and tries to cut in. Brodie really caught him good. I think Anderson can hold up his end but Hanafin seems to panic when McDavid shows up. Heres hoping when Valimaki arrives we'll have 2 D pairs that can manage McDavids speed because Gio and Brodie both have it figured out.

I think the Jets/Flames will obviously go to the team that makes the fewest mistakes and/or is in position to defend the mistakes they do make.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by chedder

Can you really blame fans though? This 5 game play-in series on Saturday is the start of seeing whether or not this team needs a tweak or a tear down.

sure on Saturday...not a game that doesn't count. I'm just happy nobody got hurt

[AC]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I pulled this from a Oilers scribe over at the Athletic today. He was talking about what could be heard without the crowd noise last night.
Flames winger Zac Rinaldo used salty language and made threats from the penalty box to Josh Archibald and Gaetan Haas. Teammate Rasmus Andersson told Zack Kassian to “shut up and get in the box” after the Oiler was penalized. The Flames razzed Haas after he stumbled and fell as a Calgary player darted around him on a power play.

Funny stuff.

From Wes Gilberston:

You could hear Bennett grousing to the ref after he was busted for hooking Yamamoto — something along the lines of, “He frickin’ held it!”

You could hear the officials, on more than one occasion, reminding Matthew Tkachuk to stay out of the blue paint.

You could hear the warnings when a teammate was about to get drilled, although that didn’t stop Flames’ trade-deadline acquisition Erik Gustafsson — in his first exposure to the Battle of Alberta — from being clocked by Zack Kassian along the boards. (Making matters worse, Gustafsson lost his lid and was just moments later called for participating without a helmet.)

You could hear the always-energetic Zac Rinaldo screaming at a pair of Oilers in the sin-bin, then Calgary’s entire bench chirping Gaetan Haas after he lost his balance while being dipsy-doodled by Johnny Gaudreau. In the third period, when Kassian accused TJ Brodie of a dive, you could hear somebody yell, “Get in the box and shut your mouth.”

https://calgarysun.com/sports/hockey...box=1596008047

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dube was fine...I liked his hustle. Gaudreau did some really good things too though and actually ended up on the score sheet....and broke some dudes ankles.


Pretty sure this is the most over analyzed pre-season game of all time

Yep. Just another pre season game like all the rest, followed by 82 games to determine which 16 teams gets to advance to an elimination series. Nothing unique about this situation.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yep. Just another pre season game like all the rest, followed by 82 games to determine which 16 teams gets to advance to an elimination series. Nothing unique about this situation.

Hawks just hammered the Blues 4-0

We have a new champion
Blues have no defence or offense

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Hawks just hammered the Blues 4-0

We have a new champion
Blues have no defence or offense

Yeah Blues are toast. Bet they don’t even bother showing up for their play-in series.

[transplant99]

Well at least there is no over-reacting either way to this game.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Yeah Blues are toast. Bet they don’t even bother showing up for their play-in series.

I think this sort of puts these tune-up games into perspective, no? I get that fans are nervous, and that they want to see some evidence from the team of a stronger determination to competing in the playoffs. But the players and coaches are not concerned about ameliorating fan anxiety. By all counts from those who matter, the game yesterday served its purpose—players and coaches are pleased with how they played. I think that is really all that matters in these pre-tournament games.

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[Dion]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Dube was fine...I liked his hustle. Gaudreau did some really good things too though and actually ended up on the score sheet....and broke some dudes ankles.


Pretty sure this is the most over analyzed pre-season game of all time

It was just an observation from what I saw in that game. You are making it into something more than it is. That's it.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

I think this sort of puts these tune-up games into perspective, no? I get that fans are nervous, and that they want to see some evidence from the team of a stronger determination to competing in the playoffs. But the players and coaches are not concerned about ameliorating fan anxiety. By all counts from those who matter, the game yesterday served its purpose—players and coaches are pleased with how they played. I think that is really all that matters in these pre-tournament games.

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Blues aren’t tuning up for an elimination series this weekend.

I have never said this is anything more than a scrimmage. But if you’re expecting players and coaches to express candor to the media, you’ll be sorely disappointed. The one thing less important than the result of last night’s game are the post game comments.

[kukkudo]

Originally Posted by Dion

It was just an observation from what I saw in that game. You are making it into something more than it is. That's it.

Dude he broke someones ankles in an exhibition game!

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Strange Brew

Blues aren’t tuning up for an elimination series this weekend.



I have never said this is anything more than a scrimmage. But if you’re expecting players and coaches to express candor to the media, you’ll be sorely disappointed. The one thing less important than the result of last night’s game are the post game comments.

I am not talking about just the coaches and players. There were plenty of independent observers and pundits who were all very positive about the game.

In any event, my comments were directed more to counter the notion that last night's game is an indication of pending doom v. Winnipeg come Saturday.

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[442scotty]

Just watched the game on the pvr. I didn’t think the flames were bad. Meh.

[dissentowner]

Originally Posted by SportsJunky

I pulled this from a Oilers scribe over at the Athletic today. He was talking about what could be heard without the crowd noise last night.
Flames winger Zac Rinaldo used salty language and made threats from the penalty box to Josh Archibald and Gaetan Haas. Teammate Rasmus Andersson told Zack Kassian to “shut up and get in the box” after the Oiler was penalized. The Flames razzed Haas after he stumbled and fell as a Calgary player darted around him on a power play.

Funny stuff.

It is so disappointing we don't get to hear these things. What a great marketing chance the NHL is missing here.

[Sandman]

Flames carried the play for 2/3 of the game, especially physically. Aside from a few terrible gaffes, they kept thier top 2 players in check. I'm not worried.....

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by Enoch Root

Similar to my thoughts.

Three things concerned me:

1) the slow start - we've seen that movie before
2) the goaltending
3) the same slow transition game that we saw this past season.

For me, the thing that made them successful the prior season was the speed of the transition game, and the amount that the D joined the attack.

There was some of that last night, and there were lots of good things, like the forecheck, but there were far too many failed clearing attempts from D-men that were standing still, passing to forwards that were standing still. Way too easy to defend.

This is my biggest concern with Ward.

Yeah, I agree. Somebody should show the Flames tape of the first 50 or so games under Peters. I feel like Peters brought forth a message that it was fun scoring at will and all, but then started to instill some things that they needed to do to be successful in the playoffs. They lost their team speed and ended up becoming a perimeter team.

The team had a better record under Ward, but still aren’t playing close to the level they were at the first half of last season. They are not pushing the pace and outskilling lesser skilled teams

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

It's not that I need to be right and more I'm not a fan of the mentality of trying to make up positives (I agree with your assessment for the outside of the fact you didn't think the Oilers coasted) for losses when the team quite frankly wasn't good enough. There seems to be a divide between the posters that can't accept negatives and the posters that can't accept positives. I don't care about advanced stats. The eye test and the result is all that matters to me. I didn't see a lot of positives last night myself and that's not me being negative and more my opinion of what I saw unfold. I recall in the first round of the playoffs last year you having a bit of a fit on me after I declared that the Flames effort after their game one win wasn't good enough as they failed the eye test to me. They promptly lost four straight and I never did an "I told you so post" then so it's not about be being right and more that I'm not a fan of sugarcoating when the team doesn't play well as it usually is an indication that they aren't going to go on to big things.

I'm not going to declare the Jets sweeping the Flames or anything as I think it's a coin flip series but as you said they looked like the same old Flames and goaltending is an issue and that's not very encouraging. A solid effort last night wouldn't guarantee success against the Jets but at the very least it would give fans a little sign that the team really is tired of losing early in the playoffs.

How could you do an I told you so after results in four separate games? I thought the Flames were the better team in game one, but not the rest of the way.

I just think sometimes (not talking about you specifically), the negative crowd decides that anyone who isn't negative is wrong or a homer, and then out comes the drive by posts which are guaranteed to generate a response.

In this case you have some pretty easy stats to back up the eye test that the majority of people on this site report. So you can not care about advanced stats, but that doesn't make them disappear. It's scoring chance counts ... not really that advanced anyway. Calgary had more. Edmonton had less.

[Huntingwhale]

Originally Posted by Manhattanboy

I was most disappointed in the production. Where were the 35 cameras? They could have had booms moving around or drones with cameras for some really slick angles. Maybe NBC will do better.

NHL said the exhibition games wouldn't be the full production they have planned. Have to wait for game 1 to see it all in action.