Calgary Flames Coach Ranking #3

[Bingo]

1. Darryl Sutter
2. Bob Johnson

[looooob]

voting Crisp, I realize he was dealt a great hand, and others may have done (relatively) more with much less, but results matter too, and I think 3rd is the right spot for him. I certainly don't think he was a master of the craft or anything but he took them across the finish line

[Jacks]

Gotta go with Crispy, results matter.

[Bingo]

This starts to get interesting for me.

Terry Crisp was given a Rolls Royce, but he managed to drive it well for one of his three seasons. Can't much better than winning a cup.

I liked parts of the Hartley experiment, thought Dave King was a thoughtful coach with an underachieving team, Brian Sutter had a lot of pride in how he coached, Keenan has the major resume but not with the Flames.

But have to go Crisp for the result.

[David Struch]

The Moncton Golden Flames

Coaches
1984–85 – Pierre Page
1985–86 – Terry Crisp
1986–87 – Terry Crisp

During 1986–87, Brett Hull won the Dudley "Red" Garrett Memorial Award as the AHL's rookie of the year. Sixty-three Moncton Golden Flames players including Hull, have gone on to play in the NHL. [17] Five players from the Golden Flames also went on to win the Stanley Cup with the 1988–89 Calgary Flames. They are, Joel Otto, Dave Reierson, Gary Roberts, Ken Sabourin and goaltender Mike Vernon.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moncton_Golden_Flames

[Strange Brew]

Got to go with Crisp here. He got the job done.

[dissentowner]

Christ, looking at this list it is unbelievable how many garbage coaches this team has had.

[FanIn80]

While we've been blessed with an ownership willing to spend to the cap, we have never had an ownership group that believes in spending on coaching staff.

(at least according to my point of view, anyway)

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

While we've been blessed with an ownership willing to spend to the cap, we have never had an ownership group that believes in spending on coaching staff.

(at least according to my point of view, anyway)

I honestly don't know how much of that view is fact, or if it's just become a view.

I think coaches in the past all made the same for the most part, so irrelevant.

But the team did poach Brent Sutter as an example, that wouldn't have been the cheapest route. I don't think Peters came cheap either. Keenan was a name, but hard to call him expensive as he was off the scrap heap.

[JohnnyB]

Hartley was probably the better coach, but Crisp won a cup. Hard to argue against a cup, bu I'm still going Hartley, partly because he won and deserved the Jack Adams, partly because I loved watching the team the way he coached them to play and partly because he made me laugh.

Hartley not only made the team successful beyond expectations, he made the team legitimately really fun to watch again. That season where they made it to the second round was the most fun season I can remember since 2004. As a fan, that counts for a lot to me.

[Strange Brew]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I honestly don't know how much of that view is fact, or if it's just become a view.

I think coaches in the past all made the same for the most part, so irrelevant.

But the team did poach Brent Sutter as an example, that wouldn't have been the cheapest route. I don't think Peters came cheap either. Keenan was a name, but hard to call him expensive as he was off the scrap heap.

It seems like this team has been paying two coaches a year pretty regularly, which isn't a sign of being cheap.

The only coach since the Darry Sutter days that was likely a bargain was Gulutzan, otherwise for the most part they seem willing to spend( just maybe not at a Babcock level).

[FireGilbert]

Really really tempted to go with Hartley. 2nd most games coached with the only Jack Adams.

In the end had to pick Crisp since winning the cup is incredibly difficult and he’s the only one to do it.

[mrdonkey]

Originally Posted by JohnnyB

Hartley was probably the better coach, but Crisp won a cup. Hard to argue against a cup, bu I'm still going Hartley, partly because he won and deserved the Jack Adams, partly because I loved watching the team the way he coached them to play and partly because he made me laugh.

Hartley not only made the team successful beyond expectations, he made the team legitimately really fun to watch again. That season where they made it to the second round was the most fun season I can remember since 2004. As a fan, that counts for a lot to me.

Hartley caught lightning in a bottle that one time, which for sure was fun as a fan. But it has to come with the caveat that the following season the book was out. His strategy looked really limited and unable to adapt. Watching players go for the stretch pass over and over and over in a losing effort was miserable.

[JohnnyB]

Originally Posted by mrdonkey

Hartley caught lightning in a bottle that one time, which for sure was fun as a fan. But it has to come with the caveat that the following season the book was out. His strategy looked really limited and unable to adapt. Watching players go for the stretch pass over and over and over in a losing effort was miserable.

Even if the next season couldn't repeat, he found a strategy for that team that took them way beyond expectations that year. Just lightning in a bottle, or a smart guy getting the most possible out of his players? The next year also had the whole goalie debacle that got things off to a terrible start which wasn't his fault.

Hartley is also a cup winner. That success could be downplayed because of how stacked the Avs were that year, but they weren't really more stacked than the Flames were when Crisp won the cup with them.

[Strange Brew]

Hartley and Crisp are great comparables as coaches. The difference is their accomplishments with the Flames, which is a huge factor IMO insofar as this poll is concerned. Hartley rightfully deserves some credit for getting that team where he did, but taking an OK team to the second round isn't the same as a very good team winning it all. Winning the Cup is really hard.

If we were doing a poll of best coaches, Keenan would be in the conversation from the start.

[Sainters7]

Yeah I gotta go Crispy. Even if he wasn't in charge very long and was simply handed the keys to a Lambo, to not have the coach from the team's only Stanley Cup title in our top 3 just doesn't seem right.

[1qqaaz]

Crisp this round, but a tough decision between Hartley and Al MacNeill for the next round.

[Sylvanfan]

Getting a good team to still win is easier said than done at times. Crisp had teams who won two Presidents trophy's and finished 2nd overall, and he did win a cup. He had a lot of talent, but so did Doug Risebrough...many talented teams don't win as much as they should.

[Pointman]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

Getting a good team to still win is easier said than done at times. Crisp had teams who won two Presidents trophy's and finished 2nd overall, and he did win a cup. He had a lot of talent, but so did Doug Risebrough...many talented teams don't win as much as they should.

This. Look no further than last year's Tampa to prove. Having the best roster in the league will not automatically hand yoy a cup. You still have to coach thru 4 playoffs series against tough, even if inferior, opponents.