Day 3 Phase 3 training camp. Backlund leaves the ice early.

[theg69]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

this is BS NDP talking points. The NDP catered to the unions to get elected and did nothing for the staff but inflated billing by doctors. I have 7 direct relatives, siblings/spouse/children working in the health care field. They have all had opportunities in other provinces/states and have all declined because of the cost of living, insurance and work conditions compared to Alberta. Get off the union and NDP talking points - SORRY FOR DERAILING BUT THIS TOPIC BEING BROUGHT UP ALL THE TIME PISSES ME OFF. And name me one doctor who has left and stayed away.

This is absolute garbage. I am only making this one post and staying away. I am a physician here in Alberta and contemplating leaving. You know what pisses me off. People who post garbage like this. Anyone can spew anecdotal garbage as well. I know of colleagues that have retired early and shut their practice down as well as other physicians who are leaving as well. There will be a list that will circulate at some point of all the physicians either withdrawing services or moving - I am not going to drag any names into it - but trust me, it is a substantial list.

Our billing have not been inflated, and it has nothing to do with the NDP - what we take home is not what we bill. Overhead ranges from 30-40%. Add to that - we have no pension, no EI, no benefits and our income does not look as glamourous as what the UCP will have you believe. The UCP press secretaries make more at the end of the day than what a lot of GPs make when it is all said and done when the benefits are taken into account. The misrepresentation of billings has drawn the ire of physicians. The irony is the richest segment of physicians, the Ophthalmologists have been eerily quiet because they stand to gain the most with privatization of services.

Also, if physicians weren't leaving, why the hell has Shandro sent out a message yesterday that they were thinking of legislating the College into forcing us to not able to leave. What other profession would that even be remotely acceptable in??

They have negotiated in bad faith from the beginning. The AMA acknowledged its a tough time for everyone and submitted a proposal with cuts that enabled the government to maintain their budgetary goals. Instead of negotiation, the government tore up our contract, threw out bills to privatize health care (to their friends and also to private companies that they themselves have shares in).

There have been so much misinformation that the government has put out re: this whole fight with physicians. Between the minister yelling at his neighbor doctor (who actually was a UCP supporter) and blocking people on twitter that do not support their narrative, nothing has been done in good faith.

Trying to paint us as greedy in the eyes of the public is what pisses us off to no end. We have been trying to negotiate this entire time and the government just refuses to listen, and instead of funding health care, education, etc, just pumps money into a dying industry and loses money on any investments they have made in the past.

I'm sorry for completely derailing this topic but when I see posts like this from Albertans, I honestly think I am better off leaving this province if that is the public sentiment. The only thing keeping me here is I do not want to abandon my patients in all honesty.

It is absolutely baffling that there are still people who support this government - using the cover of the pandemic to destroy health care, education, environmental protections, public parks and picking fights with doctors, nurses, teachers.

[dammage79]

Jesus. Can just one AB Government not shoot themselves in the face? Seems impossible.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Jesus. Can just one AB Government not shoot themselves in the face? Seems impossible.

Not when it's being run by a bunch of obviously crooked buffoons. Kenney has ruined the conservative party in Alberta, somehow.

I have mentioned in the past, but I was an Alberta PC party member since 14, worked on multiple campaigns, and worked for government. I'm not some NDP shill, but a severely unhappy former conservative faithful. That said I am strongly considering officially switching sides because this is lunacy. I already know I will never again vote for the current iteration of the UCP in any form.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

this is BS NDP talking points. The NDP catered to the unions to get elected and did nothing for the staff but inflated billing by doctors. I have 7 direct relatives, siblings/spouse/children working in the health care field. They have all had opportunities in other provinces/states and have all declined because of the cost of living, insurance and work conditions compared to Alberta. Get off the union and NDP talking points - SORRY FOR DERAILING BUT THIS TOPIC BEING BROUGHT UP ALL THE TIME PISSES ME OFF. And name me one doctor who has left and stayed away.

This should be enough evidence alone for you to reanalyze the validity of your opinion here.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by theg69

This is absolute garbage. I am only making this one post and staying away. I am a physician here in Alberta and contemplating leaving. You know what pisses me off. People who post garbage like this. Anyone can spew anecdotal garbage as well. I know of colleagues that have retired early and shut their practice down as well as other physicians who are leaving as well. There will be a list that will circulate at some point of all the physicians either withdrawing services or moving - I am not going to drag any names into it - but trust me, it is a substantial list.

Our billing have not been inflated, and it has nothing to do with the NDP - what we take home is not what we bill. Overhead ranges from 30-40%. Add to that - we have no pension, no EI, no benefits and our income does not look as glamourous as what the UCP will have you believe. The UCP press secretaries make more at the end of the day than what a lot of GPs make when it is all said and done when the benefits are taken into account. The misrepresentation of billings has drawn the ire of physicians. The irony is the richest segment of physicians, the Ophthalmologists have been eerily quiet because they stand to gain the most with privatization of services.

Also, if physicians weren't leaving, why the hell has Shandro sent out a message yesterday that they were thinking of legislating the College into forcing us to not able to leave. What other profession would that even be remotely acceptable in??

They have negotiated in bad faith from the beginning. The AMA acknowledged its a tough time for everyone and submitted a proposal with cuts that enabled the government to maintain their budgetary goals. Instead of negotiation, the government tore up our contract, threw out bills to privatize health care (to their friends and also to private companies that they themselves have shares in).

There have been so much misinformation that the government has put out re: this whole fight with physicians. Between the minister yelling at his neighbor doctor (who actually was a UCP supporter) and blocking people on twitter that do not support their narrative, nothing has been done in good faith.

Trying to paint us as greedy in the eyes of the public is what pisses us off to no end. We have been trying to negotiate this entire time and the government just refuses to listen, and instead of funding health care, education, etc, just pumps money into a dying industry and loses money on any investments they have made in the past.

I'm sorry for completely derailing this topic but when I see posts like this from Albertans, I honestly think I am better off leaving this province if that is the public sentiment. The only thing keeping me here is I do not want to abandon my patients in all honesty.

It is absolutely baffling that there are still people who support this government - using the cover of the pandemic to destroy health care, education, environmental protections, public parks and picking fights with doctors, nurses, teachers.

Please know that this is not the public sentiment. Hatred is being wielded like a cudgel by those who fear losing power- a tactic brought to us by the clown troop of UCP adherents who also served on the trump campaign. Our baby agricultural minister as an example.

[Beatle17]

Originally Posted by theg69

This is absolute garbage. I am only making this one post and staying away. I am a physician here in Alberta and contemplating leaving. You know what pisses me off. People who post garbage like this. Anyone can spew anecdotal garbage as well. I know of colleagues that have retired early and shut their practice down as well as other physicians who are leaving as well. There will be a list that will circulate at some point of all the physicians either withdrawing services or moving - I am not going to drag any names into it - but trust me, it is a substantial list.

Our billing have not been inflated, ........, public parks and picking fights with doctors, nurses, teachers.

Here is a summary of negotiations. Dispute the points but your babble from above doesn't compute. If you feel hard done by welcome to the world, but in no way can you disprove the government figures for the increases in Health spending. Health Care spending across Canada has been the fastest growing costs to the budget forever. The AMA attacked Harper for CUTTING also but he had the highest year over year growth of any politician.

https://www.alberta.ca/myths-and-fac...ctors-pay.aspx

And Shandro yelling at the doctor has already been covered by the facts that the doctor attacked Shandro and his family online with false statements. I guess his apology got buried on the back pages.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

Here is a summary of negotiations. Dispute the points but your babble from above doesn't compute. If you feel hard done by welcome to the world, but in no way can you disprove the government figures for the increases in Health spending. Health Care spending across Canada has been the fastest growing costs to the budget forever. The AMA attacked Harper for CUTTING also but he had the highest year over year growth of any politician.

https://www.alberta.ca/myths-and-fac...ctors-pay.aspx

And Shandro yelling at the doctor has already been covered by the facts that the doctor attacked Shandro and his family online with false statements. I guess his apology got buried on the back pages.

His "apology" wasn't worth the paper it was written on as he didn't actually apologize for accosting the DR at his family home, and he was adamant that he would defend his wife again. That's not an apology. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmon...ners-1.5511288

Also you shared what could only be described as a piece of propaganda that was most certainly written by a political staffer at the health ministry. I have met Chimpanzees with more critical reasoning. The title begins with the word "myths" which is intentional to undermine the trust you have in the current medical community and their portrayal of the facts. What reason do you have to trust this government, rife with corruption, more than a doctor?

[Lumby Lager]

Can anyone that wants to be involved in an argument about Alberta politics take it into the off topic section and get it out of the hockey section PLEASE!