2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Brink + Patrick would also make me happy

I'd pass on both. Patrick's migraine issue is very concerning. Losing a full season to migraines is not a good sign. Migraines can rear their head at any time and render a player useless. I need reliable players. As talented as Patrick may be, and I also don't see that, I wouldn't consider him reliable. A player that comes with incredible risk built in. If he's part of a deal he has to the third most important player coming back. You can't give away a franchise player for someone who can only sit in dark silent rooms.

Brink is yet another undersized overhyped prospect. He gives me the Rocco Grimaldi vibe. If he makes it I think he travels a long road to get to the NHL and establish himself. High risk pick with minimal high end upside. If we deal Gaudreau we need something in return that is established and will play and contribute for the team.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by New Era

I'd pass on both. Patrick's migraine issue is very concerning. Losing a full season to migraines is not a good sign. Migraines can rear their head at any time and render a player useless. I need reliable players. As talented as Patrick may be, and I also don't see that, I wouldn't consider him reliable. A player that comes with incredible risk built in. If he's part of a deal he has to the third most important player coming back. You can't give away a franchise player for someone who can only sit in dark silent rooms.

Brink is yet another undersized overhyped prospect. He gives me the Rocco Grimaldi vibe. If he makes it I think he travels a long road to get to the NHL and establish himself. High risk pick with minimal high end upside. If we deal Gaudreau we need something in return that is established and will play and contribute for the team.

The bold is why I think the Flyers would be very unlikely to deal Patrick. He has more value to them than what they would ever get back in a trade, there is just too much risk for the other GM to have him as the center piece in any trade for a star player.

As a Flames fan though, if Patrick is actually the tertiary piece coming back in a Gaudreau swap, I'd say pull the trigger. That trade could end up being quite a win long term.

[Vinny01]

Nolan Patrick would have been a slam dunk consensus number 1 pick in 2017 had he not had the injury label placed on him already.

He is a player that missed a quarter of all his junior games and many of the games he played he was playing through injury. He has now missed 1/3 of his NHL career. I don’t see how he is going to all of a sudden have a long and healthy career.

Not sure how a top 10 draft pick is riskier than a player that has been sidelined almost every season for some form of injury and most recently has missed an entire year of development due to migraines that could be the result of concussions.

In my opinion Patrick is just a tier above guys like Puljujarvi, alias Anderson, Casey Middlestat, Sam Bennett as former high picks that either haven’t panned out or have huge question marks.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Nolan Patrick would have been a slam dunk consensus number 1 pick in 2017 had he not had the injury label placed on him already.

He is a player that missed a quarter of all his junior games and many of the games he played he was playing through injury. He has now missed 1/3 of his NHL career. I don’t see how he is going to all of a sudden have a long and healthy career.

Not sure how a top 10 draft pick is riskier than a player that has been sidelined almost every season for some form of injury and most recently has missed an entire year of development due to migraines that could be the result of concussions.

In my opinion Patrick is just a tier above guys like Puljujarvi, alias Anderson, Casey Middlestat, Sam Bennett as former high picks that either haven’t panned out or have huge question marks.

Well then, can we please just add a small piece to Bennett and trade him for Patrick then?

[ComixZone]

Yeah I just spent some time reading up on Patrick (there's not a lot of available information out there regarding his current status), but talk of injury issues plagued him to back before he was drafted. It'd be a considerable risk - one that you'd have to think Tree would not be willing to accept. The appeal of his skillset is still there, but if Johnny were to hit the trade market I have to imagine the offers would be sweeter elsewhere.

There will be a bidding war for Johnny's services if he does become available - and if he does get trade,d it will be the most important trade since Joe Nieuwendyk made his way to Dallas.

[Poe969]

I wouldn't trade for Patrick unless we were getting him for next to nothing. He may not play again, it sucks but there's a chance. Migraines are terrible, I've suffered from them for years now. Some days you area complete write off, other times it's a struggle just to function let alone play hockey. There could be so many triggers for them; loud noises, bright lights or being hit...all of those happen at every game. I don't know of any miracle cure that will just guarantee he'll never get them again, even if he's symptom free for a year, they might just start back up again.

Patrick is a HUGE risk, other teams know this. No one is going to actually trade anything of value for him knowing he may not play or play only a few games. Trading him just doesn't make sense for anyone. You're either the GM who traded for damaged goods and gave up value for nothing or you're the GM who traded away a star player for pennies on the dollar. No GM wants to risk being either of those.

[Sylvanfan]

To me Patrick is a guy you might make a Lazar type trade for before the expansion draft if you want to gamble on a body that you are willing to protect over your own 7th rated forward. But would not assign much value to him in trading a guy like Gaudreau.

I don't know the causes of his migraine head aches, but Calgary weather and migraine's in general are not a particularly good combination.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I think you have to at least throw an offer sheet to one of the following:

Barzal (NYI)
Pulock (NYI)
Cirelli (TB)
Cernak (TB)

Both teams are going to have to make tough decisions. You could even throw in Sergachev of the Lightning too if you really wanted him. I think Cirelli or Cernak would be a better fit. The cheapest one of the bunch would be Cernak.

My order of preference: Cirelli (cheaper than Barzal) > Barzal > Cernak (also cheaper than Pulok) > Pulock

100%
I would approach the GMs in question about trading for one of the above first, but keep the Nuclear option open. Getting one of those two centres and signing hall while shuffling some cap around in trades would be huge for the club. Cirelli is pretty much what we hoped bennett's floor would be. Barzal is pretty much what we thought Bennett's ceiling could be.

[Roof-Daddy]

I'd actually approach Tampa about Point first. If they move him:

1. It clears more cap space
2. His RFA deal expires in two seasons and then his next contract will have them in cap hell again, so they avoid that
3. They'd still have Stamkos/Cirelli/Johnson/Gourde/Paquette/Coleman/Stephens who can play C

In a bubble they'd never trade Point, but to remain cap compliant they might have to.

If you can't find any footing there, then move to Cirelli and try to get him via trade instead of offer sheet.

Alex Killorn actually has his NTC turn into a limited NTC this off season. He provides a 16 team NO trade list. If we're not on it or he can be swayed to take us off it, maybe you can work a trade for both Cirelli and Killorn or Point and Killorn. Not that we need a left winger, but he's a really good two way player as well, and then you can put Johnny on the market and replace the futures you just gave up to get Cirelli/Killorn or Point/Killorn while also clearing cap space to fit them in.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Looking at the 10 cities that I think might have a legitimate shot at retaining Gaudreau as a UFA here is my trade list and expectations for return. We would likely have to eat a contract coming back, so be prepared for that. No trade is all sunshine and sparkles, so there are going to be challenges along the way. I'm also working on a trade where Gaudreau, Bennett, and Kylington are the pieces moving out with the intent of recouping a RW, C, RD. No proposal is built around a single player. The trades are a sum of their parts. My favorite targets, top to bottom.

Philadelphia - Voracek, Frost, Myers
Buffalo - Reinhart, Cozens, Montour/Jokiharju
Islanders - Nelson, Dobson, Wahlstrom
Detroit* - Mantha, Rassmussen, Hronek
Washington* - McMichael, Fehervary, Sutter
Rangers* - Buchnevich, Miller, Andersson, Barron
New Jersey* - Boqvist, Smith, McLeod
Columbus* - Bjorkstrand, Anderson, Peeke
Boston* - DeBrusk, Brandon, Studnicka
Pittsburgh - Murray, Hallander, Marino
* undefined contract coming back

[Classic_Sniper]

Seeing lots of Nolan Patrick talk here and not really sure why. Flames are in win now mode and with Gio turning 37 in October, I don’t think this franchise has the luxury of waiting for a Nolan Patrick to become the center he was drafted to become.

Also saw him play in the Prospects game a few years back and was extremely unimpressed with his game. Actually thought more highly of Robert Thomas, Kailer Yamamoto and Nico Hischier after that game. I would not pull a trigger on any trade involving him or any projects that’ll take years to develop. Treliving is in win now mode.


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[agulati]

Nolan Patrick is a buy low candidate. I don’t see how him being included as a major piece in the Gaudreau deal would be “buy low”. Obviously, it depends on everything else coming back.

[JTech780]

I wonder if Colorado would have interest in Gaudreau. They have the cap space and the assets to get it done. This is assuming we sign Hall as well.

I doubt they would move Bowen Byram or Alex Newhook, but they would be my first targets.

They Tyson Jost who has been rumored to want out of Colorado.

They also have Shane Bowers, Martin and Connor Timmins as pretty good prospects.

If we could get Jost, Timmins and a pick for Gaudreau I think we would have to give that some serious consideration.

[JTech780]

We could use our cap space to "help" out St.Louis with their cap troubles and take Tarasenko off their hands so they re-sign Pietrangelo.

Does one of Mangiapane, Dube or Pelletier plus Kylington and a pick get us Tarasenko?

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by JTech780

If we could get Jost, Timmins and a pick for Gaudreau I think we would have to give that some serious consideration.

I would rather hold on to Gaudreau and get nothing than trade him to the Avs and have that as the return unless Timmins is supposed to project as a top 2 D. I bet Jost could be had for a 2nd round pick or a change of scenery guy.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by Bonded

I would rather hold on to Gaudreau and get nothing than trade him to the Avs and have that as the return unless Timmins is supposed to project as a top 2 D. I bet Jost could be had for a 2nd round pick or a change of scenery guy.

I think Timmins is very similar to Rasmus Andersson, RHS D. Extremely steady in all situations, solid skater and good size.

[HighLifeMan]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I wonder if Colorado would have interest in Gaudreau. They have the cap space and the assets to get it done. This is assuming we sign Hall as well.

I doubt they would move Bowen Byram or Alex Newhook, but they would be my first targets.

They Tyson Jost who has been rumored to want out of Colorado.

They also have Shane Bowers, Martin and Connor Timmins as pretty good prospects.

If we could get Jost, Timmins and a pick for Gaudreau I think we would have to give that some serious consideration.

If that's the case you hang up the phone..

Why is everyone so reluctant to ask for top prospects from other organizations in this scenario? Johhny Gaudreau is one of the elite play drivers and offensive point producers in the game today and if he were made available you better believe the likes of Newhook, Byram, Cozens, Dobson, Smith etc.. will be the names in discussion and not Jost, Zacha, Andersson, Patrick, etc.. and if they are Treliving should be fired immediately.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by JTech780

I think Timmins is very similar to Rasmus Andersson, RHS D. Extremely steady in all situations, solid skater and good size.

I wouldn't trade Gaudreau for a shot at an Andersson like player especially when we could end up facing the Avs in the playoffs.

[Monahammer]

Gaudreau should absolutely not be traded within the conference without crippling overpayment from the team trading him. I am talking non-sense level overpayment.

Colorado, #### them, I would want Makar.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by HighLifeMan

If that's the case you hang up the phone..

Why is everyone so reluctant to ask for top prospects from other organizations in this scenario? Johhny Gaudreau is one of the elite play drivers and offensive point producers in the game today and if he were made available you better believe the likes of Newhook, Byram, Cozens, Dobson, Smith etc.. will be the names in discussion and not Jost, Zacha, Andersson, Patrick, etc.. and if they are Treliving should be fired immediately.

I would rank Byram and Newhook as being well ahead of Cozens and Smith, they aren't really even close to being at the same level. Dobson is close, but Newhook and Byram are better prospects.

If we can get one of those two, then yes go for it and I said in my original post, they would my first ask from Colorado. IMO Newhook and Byram have number 1 elite C/D potential. Those guys don't get traded very often.

I don't see Dobson, Cozens or Smith as elite players. They will be very good players, but not elite.