2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I don't think it would work, both Tkachuk and Monahan score most of their goals from with a few feet of the crease. They both need someone to take shots for them to clean up the garbage and to get them the puck in tight.

That would be why it could potentially work. Having two players mucking it up in front of the net, Lindholm at the right circle, means that an active defense could look for a puck to pop out and drive it right into traffic.

It actually looks pretty good with the plethora of offensive defensemen on the team, and fast players like Hanifin and Kylington would look really dangerous.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by The Original FFIV

I think the mandate from the pegulas will be to get back to the playoffs ASAP, regardless of what it costs. If JG gets them to the playoffs and restores credibility with the fan base for only two years, they would be ok with that. If Johnny plays well with eichel and turns his attitude for the better, it would be a win for Buffalo.

If that’s the case, back up the brinks truck.

I do think that Gaudreau could work really well with a guy like Eichel because most years he is a decent finisher to go with his high end playmaking. Whereas Skinner has been a good goalscorer but not a great setup guy.

But the team itself is such a mess I don't know if they can make a move for Gaudreau and find a way to dump some money elsewhere to fix their up front depth issues and goaltending. As others have noted, they need a guy like Cozins to be able to anchor a second line more than they seem to need an elite scoring winger.

For me the Devils seem like the team who have the need and offer the best fit for Gaudreau. But would they part with the pieces to make the deal? It's not always the team who could best use a player that ultimate trades for the player.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Sylvanfan

I do think that Gaudreau could work really well with a guy like Eichel because most years he is a decent finisher to go with his high end playmaking. Whereas Skinner has been a good goalscorer but not a great setup guy.

But the team itself is such a mess I don't know if they can make a move for Gaudreau and find a way to dump some money elsewhere to fix their up front depth issues and goaltending. As others have noted, they need a guy like Cozins to be able to anchor a second line more than they seem to need an elite scoring winger.

For me the Devils seem like the team who have the need and offer the best fit for Gaudreau. But would they part with the pieces to make the deal? It's not always the team who could best use a player that ultimate trades for the player.

The Sabres have more than 12 million coming off the books with just Frolik, Sobotka, Hunwick and Simmonds. Then another 5+ in Vesey, Girgensons and Larsson

As for needing a 2nd line center more than an elite winger, that is a load of bull####. The Sabres can't draw free agents and their drafting has been pretty poor outside the top 5. They need to get an elite player any way they can. Whether that is Gaudreau or not, who knows, but they need one more than they need Cozens.

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Just not a fan of his style of play that's all. He's paid way too much and I don't want another Johnny. I want a big Swede with a great contract.

Are we in a world where a soft 60 point player making $7m a year is considered a great contract?

[TheScorpion]

Originally Posted by Snuffleupagus

Are we in a world where a soft 60 point player making $7m a year is considered a great contract?

Willy ain't soft. And he had 31 goals in 68 games this yr.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

Willy ain't soft. And he had 31 goals in 68 games this yr.

All of the Nylanders have the same problem in their game. They are capable of incredible play, but become disinterested at times, give up on plays and decide that defense is beneath them. They are all very frustrating. William is better than Alex in this regard, but not by much.

It's sort of the only problem that I have with Taylor Hall, magnified X10.

[Cobra]

Nylander is as soft as a pillow.
Much like Team Sweden in the playoff rounds at the World Juniors. Great in the round robin but when it gets stepped up a notch they lose.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Nolan Patrick isn’t on the Flyers’ camp roster.

Safe to say that we shouldn’t take a risk on a player who is a month away from cracking 500 days without playing an NHL game.

[Major Major]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Nolan Patrick isn’t on the Flyers’ camp roster.

Safe to say that we shouldn’t take a risk on a player who is a month away from cracking 500 days without playing an NHL game.

Huh... Is it weird that this is dragging out? I don't know much about migraines, but I can't think of another athlete that has missed this much time due to them. Is it possibly linked to his concussion(s)? You'd think there would be a way to ease this syndrome.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Major Major

Huh... Is it weird that this is dragging out? I don't know much about migraines, but I can't think of another athlete that has missed this much time due to them. Is it possibly linked to his concussion(s)? You'd think there would be a way to ease this syndrome.

It can take forever for doctors to discover the cause of migraines because pretty much anything can cause them. My wife suffers from migraines, she first saw a doctor over 5 years ago for them and they have yet to discover the cause. They treat the symptoms now, but that is not nearly as effective as discovering the cause because it doesn't eliminate them, just reduces them.

[Toonage]

nm, already covered

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It can take forever for doctors to discover the cause of migraines because pretty much anything can cause them. My wife suffers from migraines, she first saw a doctor over 5 years ago for them and they have yet to discover the cause. They treat the symptoms now, but that is not nearly as effective as discovering the cause because it doesn't eliminate them, just reduces them.

Not to mention that some of the medications for migraines have side effects that could make it difficult to play sports at an intense level (lowering blood pressure and heart rate, fatigue, drowsiness, etc...).

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by Toonage

That being said, Patrick does have a history of concussions

Yup which is why he was never a realistic target for a Gaudreau trade and a laughable suggestion unless the goal is to have a similar result of the Iginla deal and get zero useable assets for the top scorer from this era of the franchise.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by New Era

Hot take. Play Gaudreau on a line all buy himself and see what he generates. There's the thing, players are most successful when they are paired with a complimentary player. Monahan needs a setup man to be successful. Gaudreau needs a finisher. Split them up and both suffer. Pretty well the same way any player with the exception of those generational players will suffer.

Gaudreau can produce with anyone. We’ve seen him in the World Cup where he was arguably the best player on a team that included McDavid and Matthews. Closer to home we’ve seen him on a line with Derek Ryan and Elias Lindholm and still be productive. Monahan may be the trigger man on the line, but anyone can stand in front of the net and wait for the puck, the hardest part is creating the chance in itself, making plays, drawing defenders and then making a picture perfect pass.

There’s a reason the Gaudreau-Monahan-Neal line didn’t work. You had 2 trigger men on the same line where the winger is the primary playmaker. If Monahan was the playmaker up the middle, maybe Neal would still be around and the Flames currently wouldn’t be saddled with such an albatross of a contract.


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[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by New Era

Very different combination. I think Lindholm has to shift his game to be the setup guy. Might take some time, but I think they would click. Three talents of that level will score, they just need to understand their roles and develop some chemistry.

The Flames shouldn’t ever think of moving Tkachuk away from Backlund again. There’s an obvious, proven chemistry between that pair and Mangiapane completes that line. 16-17 saw the 3M line emerge as the team’s best 2 way line and the new MMA trio has a chance to be even better.


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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The Flames shouldn’t ever think of moving Tkachuk away from Backlund again. There’s an obvious, proven chemistry between that pair and Mangiapane completes that line. 16-17 saw the 3M line emerge as the team’s best 2 way line and the new MMA trio has a chance to be even better.


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Tkachuk will be the team's top LW very soon. Backlund getting older. The natural course would be to see Tkachuk permanently on line 1 and Backlund become the team's 3C within a couple of years.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Tkachuk will be the team's top LW very soon. Backlund getting older. The natural course would be to see Tkachuk permanently on line 1 and Backlund become the team's 3C within a couple of years.

Hopefully Backlund is the teams 3C option starting next year, because by some miracle they've hopefully added another C that either fits in between him and Monahan, or by some even bigger miracle they've added a C that fits in above Monahan.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

Tkachuk will be the team's top LW very soon. Backlund getting older. The natural course would be to see Tkachuk permanently on line 1 and Backlund become the team's 3C within a couple of years.

The Flames could get another 5+ years out of the Backlund and Tkachuk combo. There’s no set magic number on these things, nobody really knows how long it’ll take for someone’s play to completely deteriorate.

If I’m Ward, I’m giving the Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane as much rope as they need. This was unquestionably the best line for the Flames this season and I could see a scenario where this is the #1 line for this team going forward.


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[Fire of the Phoenix]

Originally Posted by Classic_Sniper

The Flames could get another 5+ years out of the Backlund and Tkachuk combo. There’s no set magic number on these things, nobody really knows how long it’ll take for someone’s play to completely deteriorate.

If I’m Ward, I’m giving the Tkachuk-Backlund-Mangiapane as much rope as they need. This was unquestionably the best line for the Flames this season and could be the


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I think Tkachuk would be much more valuable as the team's top winger on the top line, possibly as soon as next year. He's actually already more valuable than Gaudreau in my eyes. Backlund can't play L1 so something will need to be done. He's kind of wasted on the shut down line. Put him with Monahan and Hall on line 1 if possible. Build a 2L around Lindholm/Backlund/Mangiapane. I think tkachuk has 30-40g 40-55a potential but he probably won't realize it fully the way he is currently deployed.

[Classic_Sniper]

Originally Posted by Fire of the Phoenix

I think Tkachuk would be much more valuable as the team's top winger on the top line, possibly as soon as next year. He's actually already more valuable than Gaudreau in my eyes. Backlund can't play L1 so something will need to be done. He's kind of wasted on the shut down line. Put him with Monahan and Hall on line 1 if possible. Build a 2L around Lindholm/Backlund/Mangiapane. I think tkachuk has 30-40g 40-55a potential but he probably won't realize it fully the way he is currently deployed.

Tkachuk and Backlund are playing 18 minutes a game which is roughly what Gaudreau and Monahan play. I’d argue that these 2 are already this team’s #1 line right now.

They do something more important than any other line on the team right now and that’s to try to match up against other top lines, neutralize them, make them play defense while being productive at the same time. That’s the recipe for success for this team now and into the future. It’s also a big reason why the Flames won 50 games last season as the Tkachuk and Backlund pairing did their roles to perfection.