2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I know that you're not trolling and truly and honestly hate Bennett as a hockey player, but I don't see your post as accurate.

I think that all of Flames fandom is on board with Janko needing a fresh start somewhere. He is the perfect player to go the other way in an Anderson trade. Only a small sweetener needed.

Bennett should be the third line centre. Hartley had him on a strong development curve, and then GG, Peters and now Ward have him buried in the wrong position on an offensive black hole line. I expect Gallant will have him on the right line, in the right position, simply because he is a smarter coach. I know that we will agree to disagree on this. If he plays on a line with Anderson and Dube, even if they trade him the next off season, his value will increase exponentially.
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To a lot on this board, Bennett could shoot someone in the middle of 5th avenue and not lose any support.

Of course that person would have nothing to worry about as Bennett's shot has the force of a light tropical breeze, and unless Bennett is shooting at the feet of the person there is no chance he is going to hit his target. But what an effort!



Here's the weird thing. I like Sam Bennett as a person. Seems like a really good guy and a good team mate. But yes, I hate Sam Bennett the player. I hate players that have no talent, are treated like stars, and paid a lot of money for no production. This guy has been given everything and earned nothing. If this guy was on any other team he would be the butt of our jokes and derision about bad contracts and draft busts. Sports is very much of a "what have you done for me lately" world (right Mark Jankowski) and Sam Bennett continues to produce nothing of consequence and get paid well above his weight class. I can't wait for him to be traded or being allowed to walk away for nothing. The team will improve just by losing him from the roster and recouping the cap space.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

He has been effective when put into a position to succeed. Like every young player. Put into a position to fail, he did not do well. The Las Vegas franchise was built on identifying these situations.

Look up Bennett's production when playing with top 6 players and come back and tell me this with a straight face. You are simply wrong.

This website will help you look it up.
https://frozenpool.dobbersports.com/

Bennett has not taken advantage of opportunities, I don't know how anyone watching this team can believe otherwise.

[SeanCharles]

I think they need to clear out Jankowski and Reider, bump Ryan and Lucic to the 4th line and play Dube and Bennett together on the 3rd.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

Bennett has not taken advantage of opportunities, I don't know how anyone watching this team can believe otherwise.

They reallllly want to believe we somehow have a top 6 player that just hasn't been 'given the opportunity'. If he wasn't our highest pick, people would have moved on a while ago.

[Mass_nerder]

Originally Posted by Bonded

They reallllly want to believe we somehow have a top 6 player that just hasn't been 'given the opportunity'. If he wasn't our highest pick, people would have moved on a while ago.

The problem now is that he's proven to be a fine 3-4th liner, but his trade value is probably less than it would cost to replace him, so at this point, we might as well hold onto him.

If you can swap him plus a second small asset for someone like Anderson, moving on makes sense. If you're only getting a 3rd-4th rounder, might as well hold onto him.

[Bonded]

Originally Posted by Mass_nerder

The problem now is that he's proven to be a fine 3-4th liner, but his trade value is probably less than it would cost to replace him, so at this point, we might as well hold onto him.

If you can swap him plus a second small asset for someone like Anderson, moving on makes sense. If you're only getting a 3rd-4th rounder, might as well hold onto him.

I think it is getting to the point of will he be worth his next contract just like Jankowski. Lucic unfortunately takes up all over extra cap space for overpaid bottom 6 players.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

I know that you're not trolling and truly and honestly hate Bennett as a hockey player, but I don't see your post as accurate.

I think that all of Flames fandom is on board with Janko needing a fresh start somewhere. He is the perfect player to go the other way in an Anderson trade. Only a small sweetener needed.

Bennett should be the third line centre. Hartley had him on a strong development curve, and then GG, Peters and now Ward have him buried in the wrong position on an offensive black hole line. I expect Gallant will have him on the right line, in the right position, simply because he is a smarter coach. I know that we will agree to disagree on this. If he plays on a line with Anderson and Dube, even if they trade him the next off season, his value will increase exponentially.

Lucic is here for the duration unless there is a compliance buyout. Lucic-Ryan-Phillips third or fourth line (I see them as interchangeable) should wear out the opposition.

If Bennett is the 3rd line C that will mean we didn't get an upgrade at C and that will be extremely disappointing to me.

Also, Gallant?

Are you just trying to speak it into existence, or do have you heard something concrete?

Please tell me you've heard something concrete.

[Harry Lime]

I offered him the job, but for some reason he hasn't gotten back to me.

[PepsiFree]

No amount of facts, stats, or anything else will make me like Bennett less.

Would I want to pay a kings ransom for what he does? No. Is he replaceable based on play alone? Absolutely. Will I still illogically hope he gets more chances and sticks around forever despite how unlikely it is and how many people say he doesn’t deserve it? Of course I will.

Sometimes it’s ok to irrationally love a player on your team, it’s part of the fun of sports. Winning is the most fun obviously, but still. He’s a bottom of the roster player and no matter what we do, we’re always going to have those.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No amount of facts, stats, or anything else will make me like Bennett less.

Would I want to pay a kings ransom for what he does? No. Is he replaceable based on play alone? Absolutely. Will I still illogically hope he gets more chances and sticks around forever despite how unlikely it is and how many people say he doesn’t deserve it? Of course I will.

Sometimes it’s ok to irrationally love a player on your team, it’s part of the fun of sports. Winning is the most fun obviously, but still. He’s a bottom of the roster player and no matter what we do, we’re always going to have those.

It's also not irrational to like a solid 3rd/4th line player - and that's what he is. Plays his heart out, stands up for his teammates endlessly and shows up big in the playoffs - which is something this team lacks elsewhere in the line-up.

I'll always be a fan of players that play with emotion, and Bennett does that.

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

No amount of facts, stats, or anything else will make me like Bennett less.

Would I want to pay a kings ransom for what he does? No. Is he replaceable based on play alone? Absolutely. Will I still illogically hope he gets more chances and sticks around forever despite how unlikely it is and how many people say he doesn’t deserve it? Of course I will.

Sometimes it’s ok to irrationally love a player on your team, it’s part of the fun of sports. Winning is the most fun obviously, but still. He’s a bottom of the roster player and no matter what we do, we’re always going to have those.

I like Bennett for what he is, a bottom 6 banger that can pot 20-30 points, but it gets tiresome when some people keep making excuses for the guy.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I like Bennett for what he is, a bottom 6 banger that can pot 20-30 points, but it gets tiresome when some people keep making excuses for the guy.

EVERY team needs a guy or two like Sam...what they don't need is those guys making 2.5 million dollars a year.

Thats my issue...if he PK'd or was a nice fill in on the 2nd PP then OK...maybe a 2M per guy.

BUt for what he actually does or has done thus far....you can get 2 of those guys for 3M total.

He isnt a bad player for what he does....he is a bad VALUE for what he does. Some just cannot seperate the two.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by transplant99

EVERY team needs a guy or two like Sam...what they don't need is those guys making 2.5 million dollars a year.

Thats my issue...if he PK'd or was a nice fill in on the 2nd PP then OK...maybe a 2M per guy.

BUt for what he actually does or has done thus far....you can get 2 of those guys for 3M total.

He isnt a bad player for what he does....he is a bad VALUE for what he does. Some just cannot seperate the two.

He can PK, we have seen it. Theyve chosen not to use him that way for whatever reason. Thats my frustration with the Flames and how they've handled him. He CAN do things, but he also seemingly has such a short leash that he never gets a run.

But whatever, I get it. People just are tired of the Bennett excuses. Much like I got toxicly Ill with the Micheal Ferland mythos.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by New Era

Lucic needs to retire. Plain and simple. It is time for the Flames to move on.

If the Flames can change out two of these pieces and have the other retire this will be a better hockey team.

The chance of Lucic retiring is slim, fat and none, and none just left town.

That’s more plain. And simple. The choice of the Flames moving on is not up to them.

Oh, and the Pope is Catholic.


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[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The chance of Lucic retiring is slim, fat and none, and none just left town.

Haha, you butchered that turn of phrase.

You're more than likely right though.

[Vinny01]

The Athletic has an article with the top 50 drafted prospects.
Some notables
1. Cozens
2. Zegras
3. Caulfield
4. Newhook
5. Byram
12. Bouchard
21. McMichael
25. Podkolzin
26. Valimaki
28. Frost

Surprised Oilers 8th overall Dman Broberg doesn’t crack the top 50 having said that I haven’t heard much of him since he was drafted.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Athletic has an article with the top 50 drafted prospects.
Some notables
1. Cozens
2. Zegras
3. Caulfield
4. Newhook
5. Byram
12. Bouchard
21. McMichael
25. Podkolzin
26. Valimaki
28. Frost

Surprised Oilers 8th overall Dman Broberg doesn’t crack the top 50 having said that I haven’t heard much of him since he was drafted.

If the Flames want to trade Johnny Gaudreau, it should be Gaudreau <=> Dylan Cozens + 2020 1st + Colin Miller.

I used to think the Flames would need to add a 2nd round pick, but Kent Wilson convinced me the Flames should not do this. Johnny Gaudreau is 5th in the NHL between 2016 and 2019 in 5 v 5 scoring rate (https://twitter.com/Kent_Wilson/stat...243229184?s=20).

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Athletic has an article with the top 50 drafted prospects.
Some notables
1. Cozens
2. Zegras
3. Caulfield
4. Newhook
5. Byram
12. Bouchard
21. McMichael
25. Podkolzin
26. Valimaki
28. Frost

Surprised Oilers 8th overall Dman Broberg doesn’t crack the top 50 having said that I haven’t heard much of him since he was drafted.

Cozens getting the bump to 1 harming our chances of potentially robbing buffalo

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

The Athletic has an article with the top 50 drafted prospects.
Some notables
1. Cozens
2. Zegras
3. Caulfield
4. Newhook
5. Byram
12. Bouchard
21. McMichael
25. Podkolzin
26. Valimaki
28. Frost

Surprised Oilers 8th overall Dman Broberg doesn’t crack the top 50 having said that I haven’t heard much of him since he was drafted.

Consensus is he didn't have a good year and so far hasn't proven to be a good pick.

THN re-draft:
https://thehockeynews.com/news/artic...t-unfold-today

Has Broberg dropping from 8 to 17.
Pelletier (Btw) goes from 26 to 32, but is miss-attributed to Chicago.

[Sylvanfan]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

I like Bennett for what he is, a bottom 6 banger that can pot 20-30 points, but it gets tiresome when some people keep making excuses for the guy.

At that production level...20 to 30 is a huge range to fall within. If he was producing 30 points or closer to the 26-27 he had been putting up his salary is a bit easier to take. 30 points usually will put someone in the top 200 scoring forwards. But he had 12 in 52 games this year. Thats close to half his 27 in 71 last year. So factor in him, Lucic, Jankowski, add in the Brouwer and Stone buyouts. That is a lot of money that is not producing. One of these on their own is manageable, but combine a few of these to get a list of 5 players and it explains why the team was so mediocre this year.

I think the team will give Bennett next year to see if he can bounce back, although it likely hinges on how he looks coming out of this reboot. But Lucic and the buyouts are not going away. So it will take some work to squeeze more out of this 4.3 million that is currently allocated to Bennett and Jankowski.