Duhatschek runs a mock expansion draft...bye bye Bennett?

[Roof-Daddy]

On one hand if all we lose is Bennett then so be it but on the other hand how sad is it that losing the highest draft pick the Flames have ever had is no big deal?

Anyways, I doubt he's still here by then.

[getbak]

At the time of the expansion draft, Bennett will be a pending RFA who will require a $2.55 million qualifying offer to remain restricted. Unless his performance greatly improves over the next year, I don't see him being qualified by the Flames or Seattle.

If his performance over the next year warrants him being qualified, I don't see him being left exposed.


Also, if the Flames go with the 7-3 protection route, I can't see Gio being protected. Maybe they send Seattle a late-round pick for a promise they won't take him, but I don't see Seattle taking a player who will celebrate his 38th birthday before they play their first regular season game.

[Braden]

Nobody has mentioned how a possible Hall signing would impact this?

[Bingo]

I think it's pretty telling that both Cruickshank and Duhatechek had Lucic waiving without actually talking about it.

That suggests to me that they know the scoop (referred to above) where Treliving and Lucic have agreed before the trade happened.

Can't wait for it to actually happen ... so sick of arguing this on twitter with Oiler fans that don't want to lose that delicious angle in the trade - "and Calgary is going to lose a good player in the expansion draft!"

As for the protected list ... these guys need something to write about so why not, but I've never seen the point of projecting lists when there is an off season to go. Technically the list they chose is illegal as there aren't the component signed players exposed. But of course there will be in a year.

Clearly Calgary will do more on the blueline than stand pat and let all the UFAs walk. That changes the list potentially.

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bingo

I think it's pretty telling that both Cruickshank and Duhatechek had Lucic waiving without actually talking about it.

That suggests to me that they know the scoop (referred to above) where Treliving and Lucic have agreed before the trade happened.

Can't wait for it to actually happen ... so sick of arguing this on twitter with Oiler fans that don't want to lose that delicious angle in the trade - "and Calgary is going to lose a good player in the expansion draft!"

As for the protected list ... these guys need something to write about so why not, but I've never seen the point of projecting lists when there is an off season to go. Technically the list they chose is illegal as there aren't the component signed players exposed. But of course there will be in a year.

Clearly Calgary will do more on the blueline than stand pat and let all the UFAs walk. That changes the list potentially.

There was a Treliving interview on the Fan 960 pretty soon after the trade. Treliving seemed 0% concerned about Lucic and the expansion draft. I think there has already been a confidential agreement that Lucic will waive his NMC for the expansion draft.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by getbak

Also, if the Flames go with the 7-3 protection route, I can't see Gio being protected. Maybe they send Seattle a late-round pick for a promise they won't take him, but I don't see Seattle taking a player who will celebrate his 38th birthday before they play their first regular season game.

The Flames have to add another top 4 Dman and when they do one of Gio, Andersson, Hanifin and the new addition will need to be exposed, I sure hope it's the 37 year old with only 1 year left on his deal.

...and no the 4-4-1 protection scheme is not a viable option, because if Gaudreau, Tkachuk, Monahan and Lindholm are the only forwards worth protecting at that point then this team will still be a bubble team at best IMO.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Nelson

There was a Treliving interview on the Fan 960 pretty soon after the trade. Treliving seemed 0% concerned about Lucic and the expansion draft. I think there has already been a confidential agreement that Lucic will waive his NMC for the expansion draft.

Yeah heard that at the time as well. Put my mind at ease.

I'm just suggesting that two well known Calgary writers are just passing by the subject completely and not even talking about it. That says they know it's not going to be an issue to me.

[ricardodw]

How bad is Ryan that he would not be even considered for an expansion team.. 33 years old 3.1 M 1 year deal

Does that qualify him as yet another bad UFA signing?

Would the Flames offer a draft pick for them to pick Ryan?

[SeanCharles]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How bad is Ryan that he would not be even considered for an expansion team.. 33 years old 3.1 M 1 year deal

Does that qualify him as yet another bad UFA signing?

Would the Flames offer a draft pick for them to pick Ryan?

Nothing wrong with Ryan but there are more valuable assets to pick from.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How bad is Ryan that he would not be even considered for an expansion team.. 33 years old 3.1 M 1 year deal

Does that qualify him as yet another bad UFA signing?

Would the Flames offer a draft pick for them to pick Ryan?

Minimal gain to pick him up unless you want to re-sign him. As he’s a 31 year old UFA.

And why do they need them to pick Ryan?

[Nelson]

Originally Posted by Bingo

Yeah heard that at the time as well. Put my mind at ease.

I'm just suggesting that two well known Calgary writers are just passing by the subject completely and not even talking about it. That says they know it's not going to be an issue to me.

Its a very good observation.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How bad is Ryan that he would not be even considered for an expansion team.. 33 years old 3.1 M 1 year deal

Does that qualify him as yet another bad UFA signing?

Would the Flames offer a draft pick for them to pick Ryan?

Or ...

He's only got one year left on his deal. Why would you choose to protect a player that doesn't have a contract when it comes to the time he would be selected?

I know you like to stir the pot, but come on ...

[getbak]

Assuming the rules for this expansion draft are the same as Vegas, the Flames can't officially request that Lucic waive his NMC for the draft until sometime early next year. The actual date will probably depend on when/if the 2020-21 season starts, but it will be sometime prior to the 2021 trade deadline.

Until then, all they can have is a handshake agreement that he'll waive it. Based on everything Treliving has said since the trade, I have no doubt that they have made such a handshake deal.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How bad is Ryan that he would not be even considered for an expansion team.. 33 years old 3.1 M 1 year deal

Does that qualify him as yet another bad UFA signing?

Would the Flames offer a draft pick for them to pick Ryan?

If I remember correctly from the last expansion draft, pending UFAs were exempt from protection, and for teams to add them to their protected lists it required a new contract.

This is what happened with Engelland; because he signed as a UFA with VGK, he then counted as their selection from the Flames. I could totally see the exact same thing happening with Derek Ryan, and I would also be reluctant for the Flames to extend him prior to the expansion draft because of what it would likely cost.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by Braden

Nobody has mentioned how a possible Hall signing would impact this?

In my Hall-signing scenario it would make Gaudreau expendable, and he would then be moved before the beginning of next season. Hall effectively replaces Gaudreau on the protected list, but then there would possibly also be another player or two returned in a trade that might also need protection. Of course, without knowing anything about what a Gaudreau trade looks like at this point, it is pretty pointless to speculate.

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

If I remember correctly from the last expansion draft, pending UFAs were exempt from protection, and for teams to add them to their protected lists it required a new contract.

This is what happened with Engelland; because he signed as a UFA with VGK, he then counted as their selection from the Flames. I could totally see the exact same thing happening with Derek Ryan, and I would also be reluctant for the Flames to extend him prior to the expansion draft because of what it would likely cost.

Yeah wait until after the expansion draft and then resign him. No point in signing and exposing him.

Useful player that likes Calgary. If he isn't looking to break the bank or go long term he's a great utility knife to have in the drawer.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ricardodw

How bad is Ryan that he would not be even considered for an expansion team.. 33 years old 3.1 M 1 year deal

Does that qualify him as yet another bad UFA signing?

Would the Flames offer a draft pick for them to pick Ryan?

Is this another case of Ricardodw ridiculous logic or weak troll attempt?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

Is this another case of Ricardodw ridiculous logic or weak troll attempt?

NSFW!

[dino7c]

Brad has said multiple times that Lucic won't be an issue for the expansion draft. I'm gonna believe him

[Roof-Daddy]

I really hope the Flames aren't in a position where they have to re-sign Ryan unless he takes a massive pay cut. I like the guy but he will be 34 by then and you would hope the Flames are able to fill up the bottom of the roster with cheap homegrown talent. Especially since Lucic will still be toiling around on the bottom lines with a hefty $5,250,000 cap hit and the cap itself won't be rising either.