2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Let's say the Flames knew they were going to be able to sign Hall...traded for negotiating rights before the draft or something.

Would the following return be acceptable for Johnny?

Montour
Mittelstadt
8th overall
38th overall

Rounds out the top 4 D with a 26 year old legit top 4 RH Dman
Adds a 21 year old depth C with potential upside
Gives a shot at maybe Perfetti or Rossi, if not then Quinn, Holtz, Sanderson or Askarov
Another good pick early in round 2


Yay or nay?

Buffalo would be crazy to give up that many assets for 2 years of Johnny.

[AC]

I don't love that return frankly.

I'm not interested in multiple smaller pieces. Montour complicates the expansion draft issue for the Flames on the backend. I also have concerns about Mittelstadt turning into much in the NHL.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by AC

I don't love that return frankly.

I'm not interested in multiple smaller pieces. Montour complicates the expansion draft issue for the Flames on the backend. I also have concerns about Mittelstadt turning into much in the NHL.

Well to be fair, 8th overall isn't a small piece.

As for the expansion draft, it's only complicated if the Flames would actually protect a 37 year old Dman with 1 year left on his contract. I sure hope that's not the plan, and that a result of that plan they are unable to strengthen the dcore until the expansion draft has passed.

[ComixZone]

I'd sooner see the Flames sign Hall and then get a return of this:

8th Overall, 38th Overall, 2021 1st round pick.

Three prime assets, no roster complications. Montour and Mittelstadt are of no interest.

Giordano may be that old, but he's still the captain and likely playing at a pretty high level until he's 40.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

Buffalo would be crazy to give up that many assets for 2 years of Johnny.

Obvioisly they'd be hoping to get more than 2 years of Johnny, but that's up to them to make him want to stay there.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd sooner see the Flames sign Hall and then get a return of this:

8th Overall, 38th Overall, 2021 1st round pick.

Three prime assets, no roster complications. Montour and Mittelstadt are of no interest.

Giordano may be that old, but he's still the captain and likely playing at a pretty high level until he's 40.

Montour would be of great interest I'm sure. As you know, the Flames have a shortage of top 4 defensemen after this season, and he is one.

As for Gio and expansion, I don't know what to say really.

Giordano, Andersson, Hanifin

Anyone else they add going forward via trade or UFA signing they are willing to risk losing to the expansion team? That doesn't make much sense to me. I know Gio is the captain, but by that point he will be 37 and a year away from free agency. I guess we will see.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Fair, if it takes more than thats fine. But IMO, Patrick hasn't even hit his stride yet, and he will.

I sure hope so. He'd be a great middle 6 C/RW addition to this team.

[Sandman]

In terms of ability, talent, skill-Patrick has all the tools, even beating Cozens by a country mile. This kid had 102 pts in the dub the year PRIOR to his draft year. The problem is his concussions-he's already had some serious ones that have derailed his career, probably forever. Even if he gets back to 100%, he will still be waiting for the next one to happen that will force him to retire.

If you want to aquire him, you're taking a huge risk. He undoubtedly has the talent to be a #1C, but we've seen what a few bad concussions can do in Savard, Ferland just to name a few....

[AC]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Montour would be of great interest I'm sure. As you know, the Flames have a shortage of top 4 defensemen after this season, and he is one.

As for Gio and expansion, I don't know what to say really.

Giordano, Andersson, Hanifin

Anyone else they add going forward via trade or UFA signing they are willing to risk losing to the expansion team? That doesn't make much sense to me. I know Gio is the captain, but by that point he will be 37 and a year away from free agency. I guess we will see.

Yeah to be fair, I guess my objection to Montour was with the assumption that there will be a defenceman ahead of him on the depth chart that we'd be protecting instead (not Giordano). Hard to say now with the UFA defenseman we have currently what we'll look like.

If our top 4 consists of Gio - Andersson, and Hanifin - Montour then yeah it's not that difficult outside of Giordano if Valimaki is exempt. I think Gio would be claimed for his leadership alone, plus I expect his play will still impress by the expansion draft... but who knows.

However if we were to re-sign Brodie for example it becomes more complicated suddenly as I think Montour becomes your #5 or #6 even behind Valimaki. Or if all our UFA defence walk and we sign someone Barrie.

[TheScorpion]

Talked to Derek Ryan today. Said Calgary is "a great place for [his] kids" and that he's "really enjoyed playing for the Flames," added that he'd have great interest in potentially re-signing.

[djsFlames]

I love the prospect of Ryan as the 4C to finish his career here like Stajan. Solid play driving center and can be relied on to chip in not irregularly.

[TheScorpion]

And he's versatile enough that if there's a centre prospect coming up through the ranks he can easily shift to the wing to make room.

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Don't count Puljujarvi out yet, he has a brain and is doing quite well in Finalnd. Don't knock him because he was taken by the Oilers, love him for hating them so much he refuses to play for them. Thats a smart boy right there.

I look at what Puljujarvi did in SM Illiga this year, and come away not especially impressed. For as good a player as he projects to be, and with a few years of NHL experience under his belt I would have expected a dominant performance, but Puljujarvi didn't really deliver that. His NHLe for the season was 35 points. It's a respectable return, but hardly anything to be excited about.

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[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

I'd sooner see the Flames sign Hall and then get a return of this:

8th Overall, 38th Overall, 2021 1st round pick.

Three prime assets, no roster complications. Montour and Mittelstadt are of no interest.

Giordano may be that old, but he's still the captain and likely playing at a pretty high level until he's 40.

How likely is that?

In my opinion, it's a big risk banking on any player to be playing at a high level when he is 40-years-old. Joe Thornton just played out his 40-year-old season, and he looks like he might be done. Bear in mind that while Giordano will be 37-yeats-old at the time of the expansion draft he will be entering the 2021 season at 38. As good as Giordano is today I am still thinking long and hard about protecting him in expansion.

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[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

The experts feel that Lafreniere is the number #1 pick, and that includes consideration of Byfield being a centre and close to a year younger.

So, I think the consensus is he has a definite edge.


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Ya but while I think they consider the age gap in their rankings I believe that might actually hurt Byfields rankings more than help it. I believe a lot of rankings are based on who would have the most immediate impact in the NHL which both Laf and Stützle would, based on age difference and pro readiness from playing in Europe.

Thats the only reason I can come up with for a 6'5 215lb C who produced more than 99% of draft year players over the last decade to not be talked about as at the least a sure fire #2 pick with the potentially to maybe even go #1.

But here we are with half the rankings having essentially two LW ahead of him (one of whom projects to be a centre at least). Thats why I think Byfield is moving down despite the potential for huge growth over the next year

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

How likely is that?

In my opinion, it's a big risk banking on any player to be playing at a high level when he is 40-years-old. Joe Thornton just played out his 40-year-old season, and he looks like he might be done. Bear in mind that while Giordano will be 37-yeats-old at the time of the expansion draft he will be entering the 2021 season at 38. As good as Giordano is today I am still thinking long and hard about protecting him in expansion.

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Agreed.

If the only dmen they have to protect are Gio/Andersson/Hanifin then yeah, protect him. But if they add another good young top 4 D and give up assets to acquire him, it makes no sense to protect Gio over the new acquisition.

[Finger Cookin]

Did they defer signing bonuses tomorrow? Contract's a contract, hope teams have to pay them.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by Finger Cookin

Did they defer signing bonuses tomorrow? Contract's a contract, hope teams have to pay them.

It's my understanding that everything was deferred to October 30th.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

In my opinion, it's a big risk banking on any player to be playing at a high level when he is 40-years-old. Joe Thornton just played out his 40-year-old season, and he looks like he might be done. Bear in mind that while Giordano will be 37-yeats-old at the time of the expansion draft he will be entering the 2021 season at 38. As good as Giordano is today I am still thinking long and hard about protecting him in expansion.

I wouldn't be surprised if Gio is still an effective top 4 dman at 40, he's unlikely to be Norris level at that point but with his fitness and low miles I can see him still being good enough. Thornton has played nearly double the NHL games and forwards tend to lose a step faster than defencemen. That being said I agree that we probably shouldn't be protecting him unless the younger options are obviously inferior.

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

Agreed.

If the only dmen they have to protect are Gio/Andersson/Hanifin then yeah, protect him. But if they add another good young top 4 D and give up assets to acquire him, it makes no sense to protect Gio over the new acquisition.

Trade Hanifin for a substantial return.

Sign Brodie.

Protect Giordano, Brodie, Andersson.

All is great.