2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[bax]

Surprised to read so many fans would consider taking Byfield over Lafrienerre if the Flames won the lottery.

I get he’s younger, but I haven’t seen one publication rate him at number 1. I’m not an expert on either player, but Lafrinerre looked like a star at the WJHC while Byfield was forgettable.

If we were to win I wouldn’t overthink it

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by bax

Surprised to read so many fans would consider taking Byfield over Lafrienerre if the Flames won the lottery.

I get he’s younger, but I haven’t seen one publication rate him at number 1. I’m not an expert on either player, but Lafrinerre looked like a star at the WJHC while Byfield was forgettable.

If we were to win I wouldn’t overthink it

For comparison sake, I believe I heard Lafreniere played like 10 minutes a game the year before and had 1 goal in 5 games, which is effectively where Byfield was from an age perspective at these past WJC.

Byfield also plays centre, which is the most important position in the game.

[bax]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

For comparison sake, I believe I heard Lafreniere played like 10 minutes a game the year before and had 1 goal in 5 games, which is effectively where Byfield was from an age perspective at these past WJC.

Byfield also plays centre, which is the most important position in the game.

That’s a good point and I’d trust the scouts with whatever they decided to do. It just seems strange given there is almost no discussion regarding Byfield overtaking top spot.

Instead the discussion seems to be whether Stutzle has surpassed Byfield

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by dino7c

Well the Flames offered three picks but it wasn't accepted so it's not really relevant at all since we don't know what it would have actually taken

Fair enough. That thought crossed my mind too. The deal didn’t get done, so we don’t know.

After reading the post again, perhaps it’s not that far off the mark. If I’m the Senators though, I’m coming back with 1OA & Bennett for 3,5 & 46.

[djsFlames]

Don't think you could go wrong with either Lafreniere or Byfield. Both are impressive in relation to their age.

I wouldn't be upset either way. Just wish the season wasn't cut short so we could see them in playoff action.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by bax

That’s a good point and I’d trust the scouts with whatever they decided to do. It just seems strange given there is almost no discussion regarding Byfield overtaking top spot.

Instead the discussion seems to be whether Stutzle has surpassed Byfield

If it wasn't the Kings at 2 I don't think so. But I read that they Covet Stutzle. Could be BS, could not be. Thats where that came from. And no I can't recall where I read it. But I don't think its too far fetched, Sutzles game is dynamic enough to get taken at 2

[ComixZone]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If it wasn't the Kings at 2 I don't think so. But I read that they Covet Stutzle. Could be BS, could not be. Thats where that came from. And no I can't recall where I read it. But I don't think its too far fetched, Sutzles game is dynamic enough to get taken at 2

Stutzle also spent this entire past season playing LW according to Button.

Just going off scouting reports, I don’t see how someone goes Stutzle over Byfield.

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by bax

Surprised to read so many fans would consider taking Byfield over Lafrienerre if the Flames won the lottery.

I get he’s younger, but I haven’t seen one publication rate him at number 1. I’m not an expert on either player, but Lafrinerre looked like a star at the WJHC while Byfield was forgettable.

If we were to win I wouldn’t overthink it

Hockey PDO podcast did a mock draft a while back and they talked a lot about Lafreniere being the better player right now, but he might not be 5 years down the road.

The Flames haven’t had a legitimate 1C since Niewendyk. If they’re fortunate enough to grab one, I would think long and hard about it

[TOfan]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Stutzle also spent this entire past season playing LW according to Button.

Just going off scouting reports, I don’t see how someone goes Stutzle over Byfield.

Sam Consentino has Stutzle over Byfield. His track record is pretty impressive on draft projections.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by TOfan

Sam Consentino has Stutzle over Byfield. His track record is pretty impressive on draft projections.

So do Craig Button and Bob McKenzie.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by transplant99

So do Craig Button and Bob McKenzie.

Keep in mind Craig’s list is his own
Bobs list isn’t his own opinion but just an aggregation of 10 scouts. I think 5 had Byfield 2 and 5 had Stutzle so it’s that close
Stutzle got the edge as a could actors had Byfield ranked 5

I give the edge to Byfield because he’s a true centre and his young draft age

[Poe969]

Say your the GM of the sabres. You have an elite generational foundation player in Eichel. Now he's come out and said he wants to win and he's tired of losing. Does that mean he wants to be traded, is he thinking about a trade is he giving them one last chance? Whatever it is, it's something to be concerned about. They need to make him happy, they need to get him an elite player who can make the sabres a force, someone who will not only put up a point per game but elevate your star player. And someone who will be there more than just one year, and preferably on a decent contract in case there's the option to add more good players.

Johnny fits that bill.

If they get Johnny and he pans out, the sabres become relevant for the first time in a long time. If not, they are showing their franchise player that they will do what it takes to make him happy and win. Now they have Cozens and Middlestad and other young prospects that might make the jump soon. That's awesome...for the future, not too great for now. Who else are they going to go after? What other elite player under a pretty good contract is available? Now how much are those players worth? The Flames are dealing from a position of strength because, well they don't have to deal at all. They can keep Johnny and the sabres can take their chances with finding someone else. Then you have to take into consideration that other teams are likely going to wanta shot at Johnny. Philly, NJ, maybe Boston, the NY teams and who knows what other surprise team might make an offer.

So are you going to give up futures that will likely help your team in the future but not really do anything to appease your franchise player now? Are you really going to take that risk? Or are you going to pay the price for a proven elite player?

Oh ya, one more thing. If you're the GM of the sabres, you really have no say in anything. You're just a YES man to your billionaire owner's girlfriend who doesn't seem to know too much about hockey. So it doesn't matter if you think it's a good deal or not, it's her decision.

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Stutzle also spent this entire past season playing LW according to Button.

Just going off scouting reports, I don’t see how someone goes Stutzle over Byfield.

Central Scouting literally has Stutzle #2 as of 2 days ago. So its not out of line.

[Roof-Daddy]

AGM time

Sign TJ Brodie 5 years $5,000,000 per (Familiarity and a flat cap discount)
Sign Derek Forbort 1 year $2,000,000 (Chance to play top 4 on a good team after an injury plagued, COVID shortened season)
Sign Taylor Hall 7 years $8,000,000 per (Rumors of mutual interest, Duchene/flat cap discount)
Sign Michael Stone 1 year $700k (good depth guy, lives in CGY)
Sign Zac Rinaldo 1 year $700k (good depth guy, fit in well here)
Sign Logan Shaw 1 year $700k (good depth guy, right shot, size)



Trade Noah Hanifin for Max Domi

Habs get a young top 4 LHD, they are sorely lacking in that position, and they have Danault, Suzuki, Kotkaniemi as centers so can afford to shop Domi.

Flames get a feisty prime aged C/LW to fit in with their core and give them more options and depth at C, usually good for 50-60 points, might see those numbers balloon with better line mates.

Trade Johnny Gaudreau for Martin Necas, Morgan Geekie, Jake Bean

Canes get a superstar LW for 2 seasons guaranteed, and who I believe they could extend as Raleigh is not far from Johnny's home and playing there would likely have less of a spot light than other markets out in that area.

Flames get a 21 year old right shot RW/C who was on pace for 20g/44p in his rookie season, a 21 year old right shot RW/C with size and grit who's just breaking into the league and has scored at every level, and a 22 year old LHD who is pretty much NHL ready as well and as a bonus is from Calgary.

Necas was 12th overall in 2017 and Bean was 13th overall in 2016, so the pedigree is there and both stand a good shot at being part of the core going forward.

Trade Sam Bennett, Oliver Kylington for Tristan Jarry

Pens get a gritty young winger with pedigree who needs a change of scenery to possibly plug onto the wing of one of their elite centers. They also get a young LHD with upside and just breaking into the league. Could also sub in a 2nd round pick or a forward prospect in place of either guy.

Flames get a good young goalie to platoon with Rittich for a year, and then decide who to move forward with after that. Jarry and Murray are both RFA's and I see the Pens moving one of them this off season. Jarry just went 20-12-1 with a 2.43 GAA and 0.921 save % this season with Murray having a down year.

Sign Max Domi 6 years $6,000,000 per
Sign Andrew Mangiapane 2 years $2,000,000 per
Sign Tristan Jarry 2 years $2,000,000 per


Line up

Tkachuk - Monahan - Lindholm
Hall - Domi - Necas
Mangiapane - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Geekie

Rinaldo/Shaw

Giordano - Brodie
Forbort - Andersson
Valimaki - Bean

Stone

Rittich
Jarry

Leaves about $1.5 million cap space with a $81.5 million flat cap.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by dammage79

Central Scouting literally has Stutzle #2 as of 2 days ago. So its not out of line.

Bob McKenzie's rankings also have Stutzle at #2, Byfield at #3.

[Vinny01]

Originally Posted by ComixZone

Stutzle also spent this entire past season playing LW according to Button.

Just going off scouting reports, I don’t see how someone goes Stutzle over Byfield.

Most reports are Stutzle projects as a center in the NHL. What I have heard of him is he has the best chance to usurp Lafreniere as the best player in the draft.

[AC]

Treating any draft projections as gospel, even if they seem like a consensus sure-fire pick is silly regardless IMO. Especially when it's comparing the order of players that are right next to each other. Ultimately you're comparing kids that can be close to a year apart in age, in completely different leagues/situations, not to mention stages of physical and mental development, and trying to figure out which player has the better 20 year career potentially.

Just pick any expert and go back to a draft 5-10 years ago for fun.
Everyone seemed to love Yakupov in 2012 and Puljujarvi in 2016.
Cosentino was really high compared to others on Grigorenko (#2), Girgensons, Aberg, Collberg, and Finn in 2012.

There are a lot of really interesting aspects when it comes to Byfield, I can see why many are high on him. His size, speed, and skill despite being almost a full year younger than Lafreniere. Also the value of an elite #1C compared to a winger is huge by all accounts.

[ResAlien]

I believe the saying is “there is no board”

[dammage79]

Originally Posted by AC

Treating any draft projections as gospeleven if they seem like a consensus sure-fire pick is silly regardless IMO. Especially when it's comparing the order of players that are right next to each other. Ultimately you're comparing kids that can be close to a year apart in age, in completely different leagues/situations, not to mention stages of physical and mental development, and trying to figure out which player has the better 20 year career potentially.

Just pick any expert and go back to a draft 5-10 years ago for fun.
Everyone seemed to love Yakupov in 2012 and Puljujarvi in 2016.
Cosentino was really high compared to others on Grigorenko (#2), Girgensons, Aberg, Collberg, and Finn in 2012.

There are a lot of really interesting aspects when it comes to Byfield, I can see why many are high on him. His size, speed, and skill despite being almost a full year younger than Lafreniere. Also the value of an elite #1C compared to a winger is huge by all accounts.

Don't count Puljujarvi out yet, he has a brain and is doing quite well in Finalnd. Don't knock him because he was taken by the Oilers, love him for hating them so much he refuses to play for them. Thats a smart boy right there.

[CliffFletcher]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

I'm not as enticed by Brady as many here.

I think there are better players, and I think Lafreniere will be one of them.

This unite the brothers thing isn't as important as doing the right things to capitalize with this core.

Brady is a good player. But he’s another LW. The brothers wouldn’t even play on the same line.

If you’re moving the #1 OA pick you gotta be looking to get your hands on a #1/2 C.