2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[BigErnSalute_16]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Washington doesn't have the cap space to take on Gaudreau.

My targets in a Gaudreau trade would be Necas from Carolina or Tomasino from Nashville.

Necas, Bean and Niederreiter for Gaudreau and Bennett.

Gaudreau for Tomasino, Tolvanen and a pick.

Yes they do. Next year they have 12 million in cap space with only a few spots to sign. Gaudreau takes approximately 7 mil of that leaving 5 to sign a backup goalie a couple bottom pair d men and a couple lower end forward spots. definitely doable and if Vrana is coming our way too that's another 3.3 mil they have to work with.

[JTech780]

Originally Posted by BigErnSalute_16

Yes they do. Next year they have 12 million in cap space with only a few spots to sign. Gaudreau takes approximately 7 mil of that leaving 5 to sign a backup goalie a couple bottom pair d men and a couple lower end forward spots. definitely doable and if Vrana is coming our way too that's another 3.3 mil they have to work with.

They have $10m in cap space with 16 contracts.

If they are giving us Vrana then we aren't getting McMichael. You will get one or the other not both.

[FlamesAddiction]

Am I missing something regarding the McMichael discussion? It seems crazy to think that a team in need of young cost controlled talent would trade a prospect like him.

I would also be a little apprehensive about Vrana considering he is in Liepsic's friend circle.

[dammage79]

If Florida wants to dangle Denisenko and a pick for Gaudreau I'd be all for it as well. He is definitely a player worth getting.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by dammage79

If Florida wants to dangle Denisenko and a pick for Gaudreau I'd be all for it as well. He is definitely a player worth getting.

I like Florida as an ideal trading partner, but wouldn't their needs be inquiring about Hanifin? They need a top 4 D.

Though, things could definitely change if they lose Dadonov and Hoffman in the same offseason.

I would rather offer Gaudreau and Hanifin for Barkov if possible.

[Lanny_McDonald]

Originally Posted by JTech780

Washington doesn't have the cap space to take on Gaudreau.

My targets in a Gaudreau trade would be Necas from Carolina or Tomasino from Nashville.

Necas, Bean and Niederreiter for Gaudreau and Bennett.

Gaudreau for Tomasino, Tolvanen and a pick.

Like the Carolina deal, hate the Nashville deal. Carolina provides us solid depth and some good potential to improve the lineup in multiple areas. It is a right now and a futures trade. The Nashville deal is all futures and that is loaded with too much risk. I would only be dealing Gaudreau for pros, nit kids still in junior. There's a big jump from junior to the pros and scoring exploits in junior do not always translate. I like guys that have proven they can score at the pro level first, so a deal around Tomasino as the principal scares the bejesus out of me. We need a proven quantity that can contribute right now for Gaudreau, and then some promise down the line.

[Roof-Daddy]

I kind of like that Carolina deal as well. Necas seems very much like a Czech version of Lindholm but with maybe even more skill. This of course is providing that the Flames are able to sign Hall as well.

Hall - Monahan - Necas
Tkachuk - Lindholm - Niederreiter
Mangi - Backlund - Dube
Lucic - Ryan - Phillips

Move Bennett and Janko for picks.

Or you could keep Mangiapane with Tkachuk and Backlund as they had chemistry building it seemed, then have Nino with Dube and Lindholm for a pretty deep top 9.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

I like Florida as an ideal trading partner, but wouldn't their needs be inquiring about Hanifin? They need a top 4 D.

Though, things could definitely change if they lose Dadonov and Hoffman in the same offseason.

I would rather offer Gaudreau and Hanifin for Barkov if possible.

Do they have any young centers on the way up?

Splurging for Barkov is something I'd entertain also.

Hall - Barkov - Lindholm
Tkachuk - Monahan - Mangiapane
Bennett - Backlund - ______

[Monahammer]

I think Barkov would cost us Monahan + (If florida is even entertaining trading him.)

Much like us, Florida would require a good centre coming back in the trade for their top centre.

I still make the trade IMO depending on the plus.

[Roof-Daddy]

Obviously would never happen but Gaudreau, Monahan, Andersson for Barkov and Ekblad.

[Harry Lime]

There has been zero indication that Barkov is on the market, with 5.9M/2Y left before going UFA. But that doesn't make Florida a bad trading partner. It is unclear what their direction is, as trading Trochek at the deadline was one of the weirder moves.

Florida still has primarily futures to sell, and are losing two top six wingers to UFA.

Grigori Denisenko (might be untouchable), Owen Tippett (has the air of a long term NHL option Owen Nolan Lite), Henrik Borgström (look! it's Backlund!), Aleksi Heponiemi (horrible transition year to North America).

Barkov is in the Tkachuk+ tier of players.

[dammage79]

I think FLA would love to add Johnny to play with Barkov. They're losing Hoffman and maybe Dadonov. They need a top winger. I just brought up FLA as they potentially have some really good pieces to tempt the Flames in a Gaudreau trade. Denisenko being one of them. Mix and match as you wish.

[The Cobra]

Florida is obviously not trading Barkov, he’s the #1 centre who plays great defence that everyone covers in an attempt to build a SC winner.

But I could see then wanting Johnny to play with him.


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[AC]

Isn't Huberdeau their #1LW playing with Barkov?

He's one of the best LWers in the game, not sure Gaudreau makes sense as a result.

[bluejays]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Not great decision making by Dougie but sounds like Treliving needs better communication lines between the front office and the players. Important to maintain positive relationships with the guys and take their feedback on the state of things as well. The results over the last few years speak for themselves. I see a skilled team that at the end of the day doesn't really want to go to battle for the coaches. Obviously there were issues with Hartley and again with Peters. Sounds like Tre needs to be a little more in touch with his players concerns. His Peters hiring was poor and whether they keep Ward or go elsewhere, the next decision had better be an improvement on the last one.

The players have by all accounts come out and said that its a tight knit group in terms of the players, but you don't hear glowing remarks about the relationships with the coaches. Hope the GM isn't tuning those things out. Johnny trying to tell the coach he's got to take a time out to no avail was a little concerning.

I think you're onto something. Organizational behaviour is very often overlooked these days, but if you actually think about it, being the pops of Boston Pizza tycoon, Treliving has led a pretty privileged life. I'm sure he's used to business dealings and negotiating, etc. The part I question is how does he deal with non-executive people? It seems year in and year out there are problems with players or coaches, and after seeing this, you have to wonder what's going on upstairs. I think Treliving despite the non-winning seasons, is a good exec based on most of his deals, but people person to the "little" guy - completely questionable.


Bennett?
Gaudreau
Neal
Hamilton
Revolving door of coaches

There are people who are task oriented, there are people who are people oriented. Most execs by nature are task oriented on the spectrum, and because of that you get disconnects as the ends justify the means based on results. Again, I don't know if this is the case with Treliving, but there have be an abnormal amounts of seeming disgruntled people around, but I wonder if it's too beneath him to work with the little guy (to put it harshly).

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by fleury

I think you're onto something. Organizational behaviour is very often overlooked these days, but if you actually think about it, being the pops of Boston Pizza tycoon, Treliving has led a pretty privileged life. I'm sure he's used to business dealings and negotiating, etc. The part I question is how does he deal with non-executive people? It seems year in and year out there are problems with players or coaches, and after seeing this, you have to wonder what's going on upstairs. I think Treliving despite the non-winning seasons, is a good exec based on most of his deals, but people person to the "little" guy - completely questionable.


Bennett?
Gaudreau
Neal
Hamilton
Revolving door of coaches

There are people who are task oriented, there are people who are people oriented. Most execs by nature are task oriented on the spectrum, and because of that you get disconnects as the ends justify the means based on results. Again, I don't know if this is the case with Treliving, but there have be an abnormal amounts of seeming disgruntled people around, but I wonder if it's too beneath him to work with the little guy (to put it harshly).

What's strange to me is that the Peters thing really took him by surprise by all accounts, and yet you have things like Neal tuning out as soon as he came in, Lucic considering quitting after arriving, Bennett constantly getting minimal opportunity and some of the top players no showing this year until he was gone. Plenty of red herrings that signaled that not everything was fine.

Clearly there were issues on the players end even if it was on the down low and yet it wasn't until the stories came out from elsewhere that Treliving took note that he might not have the right guy to run that room.

If there was honest/open communication with the players on the state of affairs then it might not have been so out of left field to Treliving. Seems to me he looks at the W/L columns and the team on paper and does his due diligence when it comes to negotiating a next contract, but you cant help but wonder if management is touching base with the players outside of that and really monitoring for potential personnel issues that might affect the room.

Treliving is 0/2 with coaches and you could argue the team has fallen pretty short of its potential under those guys outside of 2/3 of a regular season, so id say its very much in his interest to be taking the pulse of the team from thst personnel relationship standpoint.

Like I said he needs to be damn sure about promoting Ward officially or the next guy he brings in and I would be taking player input from up and down the lineup about what has been and hasn't been working for the players.

GG was inexperienced and didn't command respect
Peters was a hard ass but with some serious character flaws
Ward while having a fresh approach to things looks like he might have inexperience working against him also, as he's had some questionable in game moments at key times where action was not taken.

Seems like Treliving needs to alter his approach and criteria for hires, as well as factor in the needs of his players in order to find the right fit for this specific group, cause the trying to outsmart every one else with his personal selection approach has backfired on him twice.

Safe to say things have worked out okay with the Carolina trade, but maybe Dougie and Real Deal pull their weight a little more during their time here if they felt their concerns were being taken to heart by the guys steering the ship?

Don't know enough to say for sure but reading between the lines it does appear that there is some sort of culture issue within the organization that is leading to these players that the team spends a lot to acquire mailing it in here.

Or maybe these are just guys with character flaws themselves (hamilton bounced from BOS, Neal moving around half a dozen teams, stories out of the CAR organization about peters) and management isn't picking up on it before bringing them in, in which case that's also a concern about their ability to evaluate their acquisitions beforehand.

[Harry Lime]

Originally Posted by AC

Isn't Huberdeau their #1LW playing with Barkov?

He's one of the best LWers in the game, not sure Gaudreau makes sense as a result.

At the end of the season Huderdeau was on the second line and Vatrano was playing with Barkov. There is clearly a sense that they want to spread out their offense, but don't have the horses to make it effective.

With Trochek gone, I'm wondering if Borgstrom is as good as a lock for a centre spot, and Saarela looks like he's ready for one of the RW positions which are open. If they are already splitting up one of the best lines in hockey so that the opposition can't target them, they might have more desire for Johnny, not less.

If those two prospects are off the board, maybe a Denisenko/Tippett combo would be available. That's a very good return, although it's a LW/RW tandem instead of a centre.

If Dube could be groomed as a centre, Johnny for two top six wingers on each side.

[AustinL_NHL]

Florida's owners have told management to CUT $10 million in salary for next season. There is speculation that Huberdeau could potentially be on the block, even with all their expiring contracts.

That was all before COVID hit and cost them tons of money, so that $10 million figure could be even higher now.

There is absolutely zero way they take on Gaudreau's money without significant money coming back.

[UKflames]

Originally Posted by Harry Lime

If Dube could be groomed as a centre, Johnny for two top six wingers on each side.

Why try and groom Dube into being a center when you already have one available in Bennett? I know he has played wing most of his time with the flames but he is/was a centre prior to that.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by UKflames

Why try and groom Dube into being a center when you already have one available in Bennett? I know he has played wing most of his time with the flames but he is/was a centre prior to that.

He took a whirl as the third line center for a bit this year while Ryan was hurt, and looked very good-was getting better every game. But we can't have Benny in any position to succeed......