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Old 06-24-2020, 03:21 PM   #121
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Lowe laughably getting into the Hall of Fame with his politicking around the scribes of the league IMO means he’s done with the Oilers soon enough.

His ego desperately needed this vindication and now that he’s got it, aided by using his position as an executive within the league so he could do the schmoozing he needed to with the press, means he can sit around his house with a smug smile from here on in.

And, the Oilers rule of only retiring jerseys of those in the HOF, means he can have a jersey retirement night, bring back all the Boys in the Bus for reunion #326, and lap up getting his back patted by all the guys he’s wanted the validation from, riding the coat tails of those other guys in the rafters as he did for all those Cups.
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I thought just elite players got into the HOF? Was Lowe ever an elite defenseman at any time in his career? Even average NHL defensemen could put up 50 points in an NHL season in the 80's but he never did. Career high of 10 goals in an era where a blind man could find net on the small goalenders and their tiny equipment. He's a good defenseman but it's the Hall of Fame not the Hall of Good.
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He wasn't even great. Just good. Happened to be on some very good teams. In the case of the Rangers he was just on that good team solely because he had previously been on a good team. Absolutely the quintessential example of riding coattails.

Edit: this would basically be like inducting Brent Seabrook.
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The Hockey Hall of Fame reaches a new Lowe.
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Old 06-24-2020, 10:41 PM   #126
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Kevin Lowe was a decent defenseman but he was nothing special and he rode a lot of coat tails to the Cups that he won.



He then went on to drive the Oilers into the ground. Yeah, this is all about politics and found memories of a pretty meh player who was fortunate to be on the teams he was.
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As mentioned, I have no doubts he has actively campaigned and used his network that he's befriended in the hockey world to pull of this con job and secure this ego stroke. I am sure he had Wayne and Sather, worked on the guys he fed info too for years like Dreger and had them also work on his behalf, etc.

As a buddy pointed out, Mario Marios from that same era had more points as a defenseman, in 300 less NHL games.

It will be interesting to hear the mythical legend of Lowe escape the laptops of the Edmonton press these next hours and days, as they construct a harrowing scenario with the misfits that were in the Oilers room, and Lowe being the guiding hand behind all those Cups. It's going to be gag inducing from the press up there he has in the palm of his hand not unlike Kim Jong Un.
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Looking at the candidates that were up for the Hall this year, did anyone actually think Lowe would get in , in the days leading up to the announcement today. Not that I know of. It’s a joke. Pretty soon every Oiler that ever won a cup will be in the hall.
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Lowe should go in for the builder category. Keeping Edmonton consistently No Good since 1998.
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Yeah, I agree he should be a builder, he must have mad engineering skills to stack crap that high.
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Yeah, I agree he should be a builder, he must have mad engineering skills to stack crap that high.
Just like it takes serious talent to be way above average - to be the best - it also takes serious talent to be that far below average.

That amount of serious talent should certainly be honoured in the hall of fame.
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There’s a deep dive here into Lowe, from 2004, which Staples had just reposted yesterday.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-of-fame-d-man

A whole lot of tripe in there and desperate attempts, even in 2004 before a lot of the other crap that Lowe did in his attempt to show how smart he was as an executive, occurred.

”There was no better one-on-one defensive defenceman in the 1980s,” Larry Wigge of The Sporting News wrote about Lowe.



Lots of cringeworthy things in this long article, but this stood out as really the basis for why Lowe thinks he knows more, and why with the multitude of top picks he has had, are all but ruined under that organization. Stuck in the 80s, because he was Slats guy only because was not getting blackout drunk like the other Oilers at the time and defaulting on loans and making bad decisions. And because Slats trusted him as team babysitter, and in a totally different era and on a powerhouse team, supposedly moulded him into a player and a person, 35 years later he thinks he should be doing the same to the Oilers young guys.


Alan Eagleson’s agency looked after Lowe’s first contract negotiation, but Lowe had almost nothing to do with his agent. He trusted Oilers coach and manager Glen Sather to develop him as a player. Lowe wishes modern players would have similar faith in management, rather than in their agents. “Once a kid is drafted, it’s in the team’s best interest to develop the guy. The teams have qualified people, but the agents get in between, because they have to justify their percentage.”



Sather taught Lowe and the other young Oilers about hockey, but also about how to navigate the outside world, how to dress, eat at fine restaurants, conduct business, give back to the community. His only rule was that team members not embarrass him, a message Lowe took to heart more than some. After one wild night celebrating a Stanley Cup win, the Cup was left behind at a local restaurant. It was Lowe who called the next morning and went to pick it up.

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There’s a deep dive here into Lowe, from 2004, which Staples had just reposted yesterday.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-of-fame-d-man

A whole lot of tripe in there and desperate attempts, even in 2004 before a lot of the other crap that Lowe did in his attempt to show how smart he was as an executive, occurred.

”There was no better one-on-one defensive defenceman in the 1980s,” Larry Wigge of The Sporting News wrote about Lowe.



Lots of cringeworthy things in this long article, but this stood out as really the basis for why Lowe thinks he knows more, and why with the multitude of top picks he has had, are all but ruined under that organization. Stuck in the 80s, because he was Slats guy only because was not getting blackout drunk like the other Oilers at the time and defaulting on loans and making bad decisions. And because Slats trusted him as team babysitter, and in a totally different era and on a powerhouse team, supposedly moulded him into a player and a person, 35 years later he thinks he should be doing the same to the Oilers young guys.


Alan Eagleson’s agency looked after Lowe’s first contract negotiation, but Lowe had almost nothing to do with his agent. He trusted Oilers coach and manager Glen Sather to develop him as a player. Lowe wishes modern players would have similar faith in management, rather than in their agents. “Once a kid is drafted, it’s in the team’s best interest to develop the guy. The teams have qualified people, but the agents get in between, because they have to justify their percentage.”



Sather taught Lowe and the other young Oilers about hockey, but also about how to navigate the outside world, how to dress, eat at fine restaurants, conduct business, give back to the community. His only rule was that team members not embarrass him, a message Lowe took to heart more than some. After one wild night celebrating a Stanley Cup win, the Cup was left behind at a local restaurant. It was Lowe who called the next morning and went to pick it up.
Would you trust Kevin Lowe with your short term career? I wouldn’t.
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The section going into more detail on the Comrie fiasco is also fascinating, to just see the mindset and phrasing of a guy who hated the agent, and his mindset in justifying what he did and how he did it, to himself. Then the author providing a random scout as validation for his methods.

This article of course predated his offer sheet escapades, his flat out lying to Chris Pronger, the Heatly thing, the Souray thing, the Smyth thing, the Nylander thing, his handing out of 5 year contracts to average NHLers that hit about thier weight for one playoff series, and his carousel of GMs and coaches he blamed his future blunders on.

But as mentioned, it’s a good article to see how his antiquated way he thought the game off the ice worked, got him into so much trouble, starting with his handling of the Comrie thing and what warning signs that should’ve sent to more players and agents and other GMs, but insulated himself and had no one around him (recall there were 30 owners of the Oilers before Katz) to tell him he was wrong, or, flat out, “no”, to some of these maverick ideas he has had to prove how creative he is.
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Just wondering if Lowe is in Tier 1 or 2 of the HOF??
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There’s a deep dive here into Lowe, from 2004, which Staples had just reposted yesterday.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-of-fame-d-man

A whole lot of tripe in there and desperate attempts, even in 2004 before a lot of the other crap that Lowe did in his attempt to show how smart he was as an executive, occurred.

”There was no better one-on-one defensive defenceman in the 1980s,” Larry Wigge of The Sporting News wrote about Lowe.



Lots of cringeworthy things in this long article, but this stood out as really the basis for why Lowe thinks he knows more, and why with the multitude of top picks he has had, are all but ruined under that organization. Stuck in the 80s, because he was Slats guy only because was not getting blackout drunk like the other Oilers at the time and defaulting on loans and making bad decisions. And because Slats trusted him as team babysitter, and in a totally different era and on a powerhouse team, supposedly moulded him into a player and a person, 35 years later he thinks he should be doing the same to the Oilers young guys.


Alan Eagleson’s agency looked after Lowe’s first contract negotiation, but Lowe had almost nothing to do with his agent. He trusted Oilers coach and manager Glen Sather to develop him as a player. Lowe wishes modern players would have similar faith in management, rather than in their agents. “Once a kid is drafted, it’s in the team’s best interest to develop the guy. The teams have qualified people, but the agents get in between, because they have to justify their percentage.”



Sather taught Lowe and the other young Oilers about hockey, but also about how to navigate the outside world, how to dress, eat at fine restaurants, conduct business, give back to the community. His only rule was that team members not embarrass him, a message Lowe took to heart more than some. After one wild night celebrating a Stanley Cup win, the Cup was left behind at a local restaurant. It was Lowe who called the next morning and went to pick it up.
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A moment later, Lowe adds, “But then, that would make the papers.”
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A jersey with tier 3 on the front and Lowe on the back would be epic
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There’s a deep dive here into Lowe, from 2004, which Staples had just reposted yesterday.

https://edmontonjournal.com/sports/h...-of-fame-d-man
God. Was that the laziest piece of "journalism" ever published? I think the fact that the best Staples could do was to dig up a 16-year-old puff piece says it all about Lowe's quality as a player and person, and Staples's quality as a writer.

What a nonsensical waste.

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I wouldnt trust Kevin Lowe to water my lawn.
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