Arena Negotiation Discussion v2

[OldDutch]

Originally Posted by nik-

I was really hoping for this.

https://www.rossetti.com/work/projec...nment-district

I hope it looks nothing like Rogers Place or the Little Caesars Arena.

Agree. Rossetti would have been game changing design, but maybe there were factors there that made it non competitive.

I just hope we don’t follow the base model modern area that Edmonton did. Its like winning corvette with absolutely zero optional features inside.

[Tyler]

I hope people temper their expectations a bit.

Little Caesars arena cost $863M USD.

The budget for this arena is only $500M CAD.

Expect corners to be cut, features like a practice rink to be removed, and the lower bowl to end up even bigger than anticipated.

[Vinny01]

I was at the 2 road games the Flames played in Edmonton this year. I thought Rogers Place was an absolutely beautiful building and had no issue with it. Having said that I was fortunate to get the company seats and sat lower bowl and faced zero issues with getting drinks and using the washroom.

Not sure what the second bowl is like though? I have heard a lot of complaints about the washrooms there but personally haven’t experienced that in my 2 games there

[Locke]

Didnt Rogers Place wind up over-budget and poorly designed?

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Vinny01

I was at the 2 road games the Flames played in Edmonton this year. I thought Rogers Place was an absolutely beautiful building and had no issue with it. Having said that I was fortunate to get the company seats and sat lower bowl and faced zero issues with getting drinks and using the washroom.

Not sure what the second bowl is like though? I have heard a lot of complaints about the washrooms there but personally haven’t experienced that in my 2 games there

The split between the two bowls is extremely pronounced. I would rather sit in the nosebleeds at the saddledome on those f'in benches than in the second bowl of rogers place.

The more I think about this the more fear I have that I will not be able to take my son to flames games without breaking the bank

[Table 5]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

The more I think about this the more fear I have that I will not be able to take my son to flames games without breaking the bank

That's a given. Owners these days want to make sports more of an "experience" where you go less frequently, but spend more while you are there. It's less about attending a hockey game, and more about it being your big night out where you go all out.

I'm sure in the end it makes them more money, but I think this type of strategy tends to price out families and will have some longer-term negatively consequences... fewer kids will be attending the games, and thus fewer will get hooked by the sport at that crucial age. It's definitely not a recipe for building long-term hardcore fans.

[Monahammer]

Originally Posted by Table 5

That's a given. Owners these days want to make sports more of an "experience" where you go less frequently, but spend more while you are there. It's less about attending a hockey game, and more about it being your big night out where you go all out.

I'm sure in the end it makes them more money, but I think this type of strategy tends to price out families and will have some longer-term negatively consequences... fewer kids will be attending the games, and thus fewer will get hooked by the sport at that crucial age. It's definitely not a recipe for building long-term hardcore fans.

If it's going to be $500 bucks just for tickets for a family of 4 in a ridiculous upper bowl, we won't even be going once a year.

[woob]

Originally Posted by Table 5

That's a given. Owners these days want to make sports more of an "experience" where you go less frequently, but spend more while you are there. It's less about attending a hockey game, and more about it being your big night out where you go all out.

I'm sure in the end it makes them more money, but I think this type of strategy tends to price out families and will have some longer-term negatively consequences... fewer kids will be attending the games, and thus fewer will get hooked by the sport at that crucial age. It's definitely not a recipe for building long-term hardcore fans.

How do they balance that with the desire to sell season tickets? They can't be expecting season tickets holders to be shelling out big bucks for 42 games. Well, not all holders. But, I agree with your view and think you're likely bang on, just wondering how they balance it.

[Iggy_12]

Breaking ground August 2021 and completion for May 2024, i highly highly doubt they hit that timeline

[Bunk]

Originally Posted by Iggy_12

Breaking ground August 2021 and completion for May 2024, i highly highly doubt they hit that timeline

It's completely reasonable. Not sure what the concern is?

[Joborule]

Originally Posted by Iggy_12

Breaking ground August 2021 and completion for May 2024, i highly highly doubt they hit that timeline

Two and half years (3/4th's actually) to build an arena? That's par for course.

[Muta]

Originally Posted by Iggy_12

Breaking ground August 2021 and completion for May 2024, i highly highly doubt they hit that timeline

Why? That sounds reasonable to me.

[Locke]

Am I the only one who wishes they'd gone with someone completely different than Edmonton did?

This seems like a mistake. If it was 'Good Enough for Edmonton' that tends to mean you get stuck with Bibliotank and the Giant Toilet.

[underGRADFlame]

Originally Posted by ST20

About HOK

https://flamesnation.ca/2019/08/20/k...designers-hok/

This was an interesting tidbit....

Rossetti, the firm that did renderings for Calgary’s Event Centre Committee, also did some design work on Little Caesars.

Which led me to this....

So maybe there's hope for the inverted bowl yet?

[Freeway]

Originally Posted by Bunk

It's completely reasonable. Not sure what the concern is?

They're building on a parking lot in an area where all the necessary utility work has already been done.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Locke

Am I the only one who wishes they'd gone with someone completely different than Edmonton did?

This seems like a mistake. If it was 'Good Enough for Edmonton' that tends to mean you get stuck with Bibliotank and the Giant Toilet.

Its not like the stadium in Edmonton is the only thing they have ever built and that the building will be the same

[getbak]

If you look at the other buildings around the league, this is actually a long timeline from groundbreaking to opening.

The Islanders' new arena had its groundbreaking last September and it's scheduled to open next fall, just 2 years later.

T-Mobile was less than 2 years. Rogers Place was 2.5 years. Pittsburgh and New Jersey were both right around the 2 year mark. Winnipeg and Glendale were both well under 2 years.

Little Caesars is the only one in the last 20 years that has come close to a 3 year construction period.

[SuperMatt18]

Originally Posted by underGRADFlame

This was an interesting tidbit....


Which led me to this....

So maybe there's hope for the inverted bowl yet?

Yeah Rossetti and HOK have partnered before so it wouldn’t be out of the question.

I really hope it happens. The principles of the inverted bowl make sense and I want to see a team actually take the chance to make it work.

[1qqaaz]

The new arena looks to be cheap and soulless.

Hope I'm wrong though. Calgary just needs a project that is on time and on budget.
Either way, I'll miss the Saddledome.

[chummer]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

The new arena looks to be cheap and soulless.

Hope I'm wrong though. Calgary just needs a project that is on time and on budget.
Either way, I'll miss the Saddledome.

Lol. What are you looking at?