2019/2020 Trade Speculation and Rumors 2.0

[monkeyman]

all BT needs to do is sign Freddie Hamilton to a contract early next summer. Dougie will quickly follow, and then we cut Freddie and trade Dougie for two great players.

[Misterpants]

Dougie will sign here for the new Library alone!

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by Misterpants

Dougie will sign here for the new Library alone!

Because as we all know, Dougie loves museums and therefore reading.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by Misterpants

Dougie will sign here for the new Library alone!

Clearly all we need to do is sign his brother

Edit: Beaten to it.

[Sandman]

I wouldn't want Dougie back here-he seems like a pouty whiner, and a locker room distraction.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Yeah, don't really want Dougie here myself. I want a guy that has that "I want to win" attitude. Dougie just seems content with getting paid, and if the cup comes it comes.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Sandman

I wouldn't want Dougie back here-he seems like a pouty whiner, and a locker room distraction.

How many 30 year olds are pouty whiners and locker room distractions?
I disagree with the premise, but even if it was noticeable at the age of 23, there's very little chance that he'd still be "pouty" as a 30+ year old veteran.

[Sandman]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How many 30 year olds are pouty whiners and locker room distractions?
I disagree with the premise, but even if it was noticeable at the age of 23, there's very little chance that he'd still be "pouty" as a 30+ year old veteran.

I know some pouty and whiny 40 year olds, so definitely possible, lol

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How many 30 year olds are pouty whiners and locker room distractions?
I disagree with the premise, but even if it was noticeable at the age of 23, there's very little chance that he'd still be "pouty" as a 30+ year old veteran.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by 1qqaaz

How many 30 year olds are pouty whiners and locker room distractions?
I disagree with the premise, but even if it was noticeable at the age of 23, there's very little chance that he'd still be "pouty" as a 30+ year old veteran.

People don’t generally change their mental makeup as they age; if anything, it becomes more pronounced.

The Flames didn’t believe that Hamilton had the “Toews” like attitude of winning at all costs. They moved him before that became well known in a trade that was criticized by many here at the time but has proven to be quite successful.

Treliving had facts not generally known at the time of the trade, which is often the case.


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[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by ForeverFlameFan

Yeah, don't really want Dougie here myself. I want a guy that has that "I want to win" attitude. Dougie just seems content with getting paid, and if the cup comes it comes.

Honestly I feel like a fair chunk of the roster has that mindset.

They want it but when the going gets tough towards the end of the season and the opponent does just about everything short of spitting on the graves of their ancestors, they fold and pack it in.

[The Cobra]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Honestly I feel like a fair chunk of the roster has that mindset.

They want it but when the going gets tough towards the end of the season and the opponent does just about everything short of spitting on the graves of their ancestors, they fold and pack it in.

I think there is a slight difference, although in the end that difference may not make much of a difference.

I think Johnny wants to win very badly. But I also don't think he has the great ability to play through the playoff toughness and excel at that level. It's not from a lack of desire, but perhaps not having the physical (and perhaps mental) toughness to succeed when the going gets really tough. But since he has the desire, the ability to do so may come with experience.

With Hamilton, I'm not sure if he really cares if he wins or loses. It's likely to never change.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by The Cobra

I think there is a slight difference, although in the end that difference may not make much of a difference.

I think Johnny wants to win very badly. But I also don't think he has the great ability to play through the playoff toughness and excel at that level. It's not from a lack of desire, but perhaps not having the physical (and perhaps mental) toughness to succeed when the going gets really tough. But since he has the desire, the ability to do so may come with experience.

With Hamilton, I'm not sure if he really cares if he wins or loses. It's likely to never change.

Well that’s a bunch of conjecture.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Honestly I feel like a fair chunk of the roster has that mindset.

They want it but when the going gets tough towards the end of the season and the opponent does just about everything short of spitting on the graves of their ancestors, they fold and pack it in.

I agree. I haven’t seen this team put it all in since Hartley in ‘15. Is it coaching? Would Ward help us win a couple of rounds? Do we have a few players not giving 100%? I am convinced it’s the latter.

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by djsFlames

Honestly I feel like a fair chunk of the roster has that mindset.

They want it but when the going gets tough towards the end of the season and the opponent does just about everything short of spitting on the graves of their ancestors, they fold and pack it in.

I never felt it was fair to single out Hamilton for this when it has been a Flames hallmark since 2006. As soon as they face a bad break or adversity they fold like a cheap suit. Whether it's late in the season and playoff races are intensifying or in the playoffs where it comes down to which team wants it more, they more than not always come up short. It's not like Hamilton's supposed attitude of not wanting to win bad rubbed off on the Hurricanes who have done quite well since his acquisition.

[Monahammer]

Hamilton seemed to have no problem bringing a winning attitude with him in Carolina. They love him down there and the team was markedly better at winning this year.

I don't think the attitude issue was ever with the hamilton camp. I think our attitude issues persist, and it is not attitude vis a vis "winning" in as straight a sense that many are thinking it is.

I think the attitude issues that differed from Hamilton and some of the flames core was totally to do with off-ice mindset towards winning and success. And I do not at all think that it was Hamilton not putting the correct effort towards that portion of his life.

[Monahammer]

People who put emphasis on their stardom, don't take their nutrition seriously, and who enjoy the "perks" of fame don't seem to mesh with Dougie, who has a known history of being the type to go to a museum or read a book before getting a good night sleep and hitting the gym in the morning.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Monahammer

People who put emphasis on their stardom, don't take their nutrition seriously, and who enjoy the "perks" of fame don't seem to mesh with Dougie, who has a known history of being the type to go to a museum or read a book before getting a good night sleep and hitting the gym in the morning.

I don't think he is alone in that. There are probably many players that like that sort of thing.

Weren't there rumours of him blowing off the team when they were doing team building things to grow the bond? Even in my work place, I am expected to go to work outings. It might not be what I want to do, but it is a good way to build relationships which all winning teams need.

[Jiri Hrdina]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think he is alone in that. There are probably many players like like that sort of thing.

Weren't there rumours of him blowing off the team when they were doing team building things to grow the bond? Even in my work place, I am expected to go to work outings. It might not be what I want to do, but it is a good way to build relationships which all winning teams need.

To some degree this is true, but it is also true that organizations are moving towards more inclusive culture creation. Why should people have to bend to the company? If someone doesn't want to go out for a drink-fest, for whatever reason, that should be valid and it shouldn't mean they aren't as big a part of the culture or team as those that do.

It's an example of historic and narrow thinking that sits in sports and business.

[The Yen Man]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I don't think he is alone in that. There are probably many players like like that sort of thing.

Weren't there rumours of him blowing off the team when they were doing team building things to grow the bond? Even in my work place, I am expected to go to work outings. It might not be what I want to do, but it is a good way to build relationships which all winning teams need.

I always wonder if those rumours had any merit. From what I've seen as a fan, it seemed like Dougie was in on a ton of Flames events. He did the ugly Christmas sweater promo, the yearly theme Halloween dress ups to the Children's hospitals, and other little things like the Dougie camera bombs. From the outside, he looked like a pretty fun guy to hang around. Maybe he didn't like doing the drinking / partying of some of the other guys?