[News] Auston Matthews tests positive for COVID-19

[Badgers Nose]

Originally Posted by Beatle17

And how to you believe the CDC or WHO when day-to-day and week-to-week they contradict themselves, masks are bad - you must wear a mask, etc.

Easy. Research and statistics come in and as they learn more the recommendations change. You really need someone to tell you that?

As long as teams don’t put pressure on sick players to play, go ahead and have the season. They better get cracking though.

[VilleN]

Originally Posted by Dragomir

I did, the experts have repeatedly told us this thing is serious regardless of who you are. Looks like you need to do some research bud.

No, that is inaccurate. If you are young and healthy the risk of mortality is extremely low. It is serious for everyone because we need to stop the spread to protect the vulnerable (mainly the elderly with co-morbidities)and prevent the healthcare system from collapsing. If you are young(ish) and healthy there is a near 0 risk of death. A study done in Italy and the UK showed a mortality rate of 0.1-0.2% for those aged 20-29, 0.4-0.6 for those aged 30-39. Among those who have died from Covid-19, only 1% of those people had no co-morbidities. Which means, if you have no risk factors your risk of dying from covid are less than the numbers I posted above.

Edit: Not to mention that these numbers come from confirmed cases, so the mortality rate is almost definitely much lower.

All this info can be found here: https://informationisbeautiful.net/v...phic-datapack/

[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by AC

I know for a fact from a connected source to a player that the Coyotes have "A lot." of positive cases. They're trying to suppress the news according to him.

No surprise given Arizona right now.

I posted this on the first page, it's been shared in the local media as well.

Originally Posted by Jordan!

Several Coyote players are positive. Season over

The league is taking on reporting of cases. But this is one case where the lack of media is probably helping the situation for the Team. They lost their primary reporter recently due to The Athletic layoffs.

People in AZ have been so ignorant to this virus, thinking the heat will kill it but it's shown to not be the case. Pack people into A/C charged rooms and here we are.

I get weird looks for wearing a mask around to get groceries

[tvp2003]

A lot of the discussion about vaccines, masks, infection and death rates, etc have been beat to death ten times over in the COVID general thread. Oh well.

I think the interesting question that arises with a player like Matthews is the relative risk of long term side effects on younger, healthy people. It's probably fair to say a lot is still unknown. So while many appear to be none the worse for wear, there have been at least some examples of younger individuals having a much harder time (i) getting rid of the virus, and/or (ii) regaining lung function. It would also seem naïve to think that professional athletes would be 100% immune to this -- so is it really that far-fetched to think COVID might be potentially career ending? Even if it is just one out of 1000?

How the PA responds to this will be interesting to say the least -- as well as what the NBA and MLB decide to do.

[Textcritic]

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I mean, baseball players will probably be fine, right? It's not like they depend on great cardiovascular fitness to do what they do.

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[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jordan!

I get weird looks for wearing a mask around to get groceries

Funny, as I'm in Durham, NC, which is a super blue area in a purple state. If you walk around a grocery store here without a mask that's when you get the funny looks. My parents in Florida have been telling me that there are zero masks to be seen and things are pretty much back to pre-Covid days. Bottom line: The US is a mess and I don't see it getting better any time soon.

[CalgaryFan1988]

Originally Posted by blender

I do not believe that covid 19 kills 5% of the people who contract it.

I do not believe the numbers you are referring to are accurate.

Edit to add that I think what we are seeing reported is number of cases confirmed through testing. But the reality which has been widely acknowledged is that cases are being unreported, possibly greatly. Even now testing is limited, and for months there was almost no testing at all outside of hospitals treating very sick patients.
When the data is compiled and antibody testing is done on larger numbers of people the lethality rate will be much lower.
It doesn't mean it is not serious.

What you're saying is right, but it's the same with any statistic when it comes to any disease or illness and I really don't understand the point in arguing it.

[djsFlames]

Originally Posted by agulati

Yeah, that's probably going to be the case with both Arizona and Florida.

The issue is till they don't get people into a bubble, this is going to continue happening.

Sounds like in the case of those located in covid hotbeds that by the league getting the players into the tourney and isolated at the hub they're making them safer than they were hanging out and practicing wherever they came in from.

But individuals here will spin the "you're sick for wanting it to go forward" angle.

Whats better, trying to stay active in their local community, some of which are crawling with the virus and where there is limited or no access to local rinks, or hanging out during what is likely to be a second wave shielded in a 5 star hotel and arena and having your league pay millions to be tested constantly, while being able to keep up your fitness and play the game?

[tvp2003]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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I mean, baseball players will probably be fine, right? It's not like they depend on great cardiovascular fitness to do what they do.

I don't want to pigeonhole baseball players as the ability to play at the highest level is probably dependent on a number of factors. However, I would say pitchers (and especially starting pitchers) absolutely need great cardiovascular fitness. Not everyone is Bartolo Colon

[Flamenspiel]

^^I am sure Mathews is just the tip of the iceberg and information is being suppressed. The PA has agreed to a plan only and I am sure there are big debates going on with regards to the central location. There is no way the players agree to a “bubble”, that whole thing is laughable.

[blender]

Originally Posted by CalgaryFan1988

What you're saying is right, but it's the same with any statistic when it comes to any disease or illness and I really don't understand the point in arguing it.

Fair point. I will stand down on any further debate about these statistics.

One thing I think we can all agree on is the obvious lack of certainty is causing a lot of concern and confusion about what is the proper way forward, not just for sports, but society in general. We live in a world where we expect a certain level of clarity and without it we as a society are struggling to make decisions that we can trust in.

Not an easy way to live, and we are immersed in it constantly. Best of luck to all, and stay safe of course.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Dion

It's not about dying. Players are worried about how the virus will affect their lungs long term should they get it. It could be career damaging if they lose some of their lung capacity.

This type of thinking is absolutely insane.

There is no evidence that Covid causes long term respiratory complications in a healthy population.

You know what does cause long term effects? Concussions. Have we taken fighting out of the game? Hitting?

When new supplements come on the market, there is zero long term testing done for complications. Sucralose may have caused long term damage to intestines yet that never stopped the masses from consuming it.

New medications have vigorous testing for short term side effects but long term their use comes with unknown effects. People seldom question that.

8500 people die in Canada of pneumonia every year. Countless others suffer some lung scarring and slight reduction in function, should we stop pro sports from the risk of spreading pneumonia?

Hell, 60% (more?) of the people in this thread are overweight or obese which has PROVEN long term far reaching effects on lung function. Has any one of you cared at all about that?

We have to be careful with Covid but the fear mongering that continues is absolutely ridiculous.

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Erick Estrada

I'm sure NHL players are sleeping better now that you have declared it's totally safe for them because no player will die.

Right, because that was the point of the post

[Textcritic]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

This type of thinking is absolutely insane.

There is no evidence that Covid causes long term respiratory complications in a healthy population.

No evidence? I am sceptical about this claim.

You know what does cause long term effects? Concussions. Have we taken fighting out of the game? Hitting?

Yeah, there is a very good reason why fighting and hitting have not yet been eliminated outright from NHL hockey. The players have decided that these changes are not wanted. But if a large enough group of the same players are scared enough about the unknown long-term repercussions of contracting COVID-19, then I have no doubt that they will vote down the proposed tournament. It may appear irrational, but I think in the collective mindset of players the difference between the pandemic and head hits is that they can exercise some control over one, and not the other.

new supplements ... Sucralose ... New medications ... pneumonia ... 60% (more?) of the people in this thread are overweight or obese ...

All of this is irrelevant straw-manning to make a point that no one is arguing. The biggest difference between all of these random societal dangers and the state of the ongoing pandemic is that unlike COVID-19 the risk factors for the above laundry list are well known, well documented, and it-and-large understood to he acceptable.

We have to be careful with Covid but the fear mongering that continues is absolutely ridiculous.

When it comes to responding to a highly infectious, highly contagious viral infection about which we presently know very little, I don't think reasonable precautionary measures should be dismissed as "ridiculous fear mongering."

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[DeluxeMoustache]

Haven’t read the whole thread.

Can you get Covid from doing a pressed ham on the window of a security guard’s car?

[TheSutterDynasty]

Originally Posted by Textcritic

No evidence? I am sceptical about this claim.

I'm not making a claim, a group on here is. The claim is that Covid causes long term lung damage. And no, anecdotes of "a friend of a friend says they're winded a lot now" is not evidence.

I feel like I'm posting this a lot on here lately but "what can be asserted without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence".

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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Yeah, there is a very good reason why fighting and hitting have not yet been eliminated outright from NHL hockey. The players have decided that these changes are not wanted. But if a large enough group of the same players are scared enough about the unknown long-term repercussions of contracting COVID-19, then I have no doubt that they will vote down the proposed tournament. It may appear irrational, but I think in the collective mindset of players the difference between the pandemic and head hits is that they can exercise some control over one, and not the other.

It sounds like the players did indeed vote on the matter and they do indeed want to play.

Not that I agree on that method. Alberta policy has been prudent in the containment of Covid and they have allowed training camp to occur and have mentioned potentially allowing Edmonton as a neutral site (even though that doesn't look like it will happen). If they think there is an acceptable amount of risk in allowing the NHL to continue it's season, why do you think the players should be able to over rule? The Government deemed grocery stores an essential service and kept employees in them working despite their risk. Do you think NHL players are more important than grocery store employees?

And yes, I realize NHL isn't essential. But things are reopening and we're discussing it as a non-essential business, just like restaurants and retail. People are congregating more as things reopen, just because the NHL is congregation in the public eye doesn't mean it should be held to a different standard.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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All of this is irrelevant straw-manning to make a point that no one is arguing. The biggest difference between all of these random societal dangers and the state of the ongoing pandemic is that unlike COVID-19 the risk factors for the above laundry list are well known, well documented, and it-and-large understood to he acceptable.

I'm making a comparison, not a straw man. As GGG has pointed out much more succinctly than I will, we decide and live with an acceptable level of risk. An NHL player is far more likely to die from an accident or suicide than Covid but we've accepted that risk. Just because Covid is novel doesn't mean it deserves preferential treatment. The risk to these athletes is incredibly low. The risk of spread from the athletes to their families and potentially someone high risk.. probably not that low. But that's a risk we're taking with other things reopening as well.

Originally Posted by Textcritic

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When it comes to responding to a highly infectious, highly contagious viral infection about which we presently know very little, I don't think reasonable precautionary measures should be dismissed as "ridiculous fear mongering."

Well we have a pretty good idea of it's close relatives. I don't know anything about virology or immunology but it seems to me that the symptoms and evolution of coronaviruses is somewhat similar - the danger came because of it's novelty and the entire world had zero protection against it, not because it has horrifying manifestations in the body. The fact that the group that encounters adverse outcomes is extremely predictable (age >60, immunocompromised, obese, comorbidities, existing lung issues) backs that ups.

[FlamesAddiction]

Another thing to consider is that some players have other health issues that could make a COVID-19 infection worse. Max Domi comes to mind, but I am sure there are others that are less publicized.

The risk might be small to a healthy player that doesn't have other possible contributing factors, but there are likely some who are higher risk (as would be expected in any population).

[Mass_nerder]

It's easy to forget that NHL players are real people with real families. I understand they're very well compensated, for the most part, but I'm certain that their significant others/children wouldn't be particularly happy about having to leave their homes for what could be an extended period, to go live in a hotel in Edmonton.
Another thing to consider is the health of their families. Obviously most players are in fantastic physical shape, and may be better suited to fight off illness, but their families may not be. I know for example TJ Brodie's wife has MS; I'm sure there are plenty of others with compromised immune systems. It's one thing to risk your own health, but It's completely different to risk your family's health

[Snuffleupagus]

Originally Posted by tvp2003

I don't want to pigeonhole baseball players as the ability to play at the highest level is probably dependent on a number of factors. However, I would say pitchers (and especially starting pitchers) absolutely need great cardiovascular fitness. Not everyone is Bartolo Colon

Sure!
pitchers of health

[Erick Estrada]

Originally Posted by TheSutterDynasty

Right, because that was the point of the post

You continue to beat a dead horse in the COVID thread and now this one. Can you at least pick a single thread to contain your redundant arguments?