Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by Acey

Yeah I mean I'm not trying to say that the statistics are wrong - I think way back in this thread I acknowledged black on black crime and how catastrophic that is and how bad it's tearing apart communities. Yes black people are killing each other. Yes blacks are resisting arrest... at some rate higher than white people? I dunno... I don't memorize those statistics but White out 403 seems to know them better than his own name. But why in Edmonton, Alberta am I asked to show ownership of my vehicle when I'm not dressed like a thug or otherwise doing anything wrong.

I'm living proof that are we in fact unfairly hassled by the police, and then to further say that it's justified because of homicides seems like just spraying darts at a board.

Where's that stat that black men steal vehicles in Edmonton at the highest rate? (praying this stat doesn't actually exist )

Excellent. Do you think the media or someone should make a big deal about black on black crime, or when a black cop shoots a black victim? I'm reading about how now some black victims are mad that they are forgotten while George Floyd is a hero.

Or even the car registration check on you, should that be on the local news? How can you and others put pressure on the City of Edmonton police? What id the media's role?


Here's the Edmonton car theft article from December https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...-from-vehicles
Were you in a 'hot spot'? I would go the police and ask for the stats, say you're are concerned about stopping it.


In the US, there was nearly 6 years between the shootings of Michael Brown and George Floyd. Colin Kaepernick protested quietly the general treatment of blacks, not any particular incident and everyone ignored him. Football players even threw him under the bus.

Now, where does this situation lead us? To actual change or is it just anotehr incident du jour and in 5 months nobody cares and Trump gets elected again.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Are you playfully suggesting, on a hockey forum, that my name is racial some how? This is the 2nd time you've mentioned it. The #### is your problem?

Are you seriously asking, in response to a Black man sharing his lived experience that doesn’t mesh with your casual glance at statistics, what the #### his problem is because he capitalised your name in a way you don’t like?

Maybe center the discussion around the topic, not your own white fragility that comes out whenever a Black person mentions your username. Or, change your username if you’re that sensitive over it.

To me, this is a bit of the problem. This is why conversations move slowly. Instead of just listening, certain White people want to decide what the conversation should be about or center themselves as a victim. “Don’t say my name like that!” in response to a story about how someone was targeted because of their race is... incredible.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

Are you seriously asking, in response to a Black man sharing his lived experience that doesn’t mesh with your casual glance at statistics, what the #### his problem is because he capitalised your name in a way you don’t like?

Maybe center the discussion around the topic, not your own white fragility that comes out whenever a Black person mentions your username. Or, change your username if you’re that sensitive over it.

To me, this is a bit of the problem. This is why conversations move slowly. Instead of just listening, certain White people want to decide what the conversation should be about or center themselves as a victim. “Don’t say my name like that!” in response to a story about how someone was targeted because of their race is... incredible.

The first incident was when he was busy calling Candace Owens a race traitor. Keep up.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Excellent. Do you think the media or someone should make a big deal about black on black crime, or when a black cop shoots a black victim?

Black on black crime decimating places like Baltimore and Chicago is not a new thing, I don't necessarily think it's be in under-covered in the media.

I think the media should make a big deal out of any cop squeezing the life out of anybody on the side walk for 8 minutes and 46 seconds, I guess? Honestly not sure how to respond here.

Do you know who Justine Damond is? If you don't, that speaks to the level of coverage a story of a black (coincidentally Minneapolis) officer "accidentally" shooting a white woman.

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Or even the car registration check on you, should that be on the local news?

...no?

Originally Posted by White Out 403

The first incident was when he was busy calling Candace Owens a race traitor. Keep up.

Candace Owens attacks black people and comes across as if she hates being black. I'm not backing down from my stance on her. Sue me.

[White Out 403]

Ya I'm just going to push back from the table, there's nothing to be gained here.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

Here's the Edmonton car theft article from December https://edmontonjournal.com/news/loc...-from-vehicles
Were you in a 'hot spot'? I would go the police and ask for the stats, say you're are concerned about stopping it.

I can't imagine that a very public Tim Hortons along one of Edmonton's busiest streets is a hotbed of vehicle theft, but... I'm also not sure that the onus is on me to go to the Edmonton Police to tell them why I'm not a criminal. I kinda feel like I shouldn't have to do that when other people can go to the same Tim Hortons without having to write a thesis first.

[peter12]

GirlySports talking racist #### and seeing if it sticks.

[Acey]

I mean why on God's green flat earth would I walk into a police station and say "I'm concerned about stopping car theft" lol

[GirlySports]

Originally Posted by peter12

GirlySports talking racist #### and seeing if it sticks.

What?

We're looking for behavioral change right? Acey jokingly said that he hoped such a stat did not exist, so i found something general. If blacks are getting targeted at a particular area of the city (the busy Tim Horton), I think that's cause for some amateur sleuthing. Put in some Freedom of Information requests. Write in some letters. See what the city has to say or if they ignore it. Because it's absolutely not okay.

Heck I got questioned by the cops about 2 weeks ago and I get treated better.

[peter12]

Nm

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Ya I'm just going to push back from the table, there's nothing to be gained here.

There's plenty to be gained here. It's worth your time to actually listen and gain something. But do you. You don't need to announce your comings and goings to everyone.

Originally Posted by Acey

I mean why on God's green flat earth would I walk into a police station and say "I'm concerned about stopping car theft" lol

The thing that strikes me about statements like the one you're responding to, is just how strange they are if presented to anyone who isn't a victim in the scenario. "Hey man, have you thought about stopping by the police station and making a stink about car theft so they know you're 'one of the good ones'?" No, nobody has thought of that. Why the #### would someone do that? lol. As a white person, I have never once thought "I better pop into the station and make sure they know I'm a concerned citizen so they don't arrest me later. I'm sure the confusion surrounding my earlier harassment was because I didn't check in."

Just flat out nonsense. Once again, putting the onus on people who are discriminated against to not be discriminated against. And it's always the weirdest suggestions to do something that they personally would never be compelled to do.

[Acey]

I'm just trying to figure out how the interaction would go.

"Hi sir, what can I help you with today?"
"I'm concerned about auto theft in the city."
"Well we've deployed extra resources toward it in the last few months and we feel it's made a tangible difference."
"Cool. You guys racist?"
"Of course not, sir."
"K, cya".

lol I dunno

[corporatejay]

Here's an example of white privilege that I've come to learn to accept.

I often hear people say "well if a cop asked me if it was my car, I'd just show it was my car and move on"

and candidly, I'm sure, at some point in my young life, I probably thought that way too. And then I listened to PoCs and realized, this doesn't just happen once and you know what, if it happened a couple of times a year, after the 5th time, I'd probably tell the cop to go #### himself and then it's on.

In my life I've had a copy "profile" me once. My friends and I were standing outside of the 7-11 in Queensland/Deer Ridge. We had just finished playing basketball at a nearby park, on a friday night, dressed in sports clothes, all sweaty and we had gone to get slurpees (loser buys).

A cop pulls out as we are hanging outside waiting for our friends and says "You guys can't loiter here, get out of here" I responded "we're just waiting for our friends" and he screamed "I SAID DISPERSE AND IF I COME BACK OUT AND YOU'RE STILL HERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM"

It was brutal, it was 21 years ago, and compared to some of the interactions I hear PoCs have with the police, it's literally nothing, but it still sticks with me, like, i was doing nothing wrong. I cannot imagine dealing with that on a even a semi regular basis in so many different aspects of my life.

[peter12]

Originally Posted by Acey

I'm just trying to figure out how the interaction would go.

"Hi sir, what can I help you with today?"
"I'm concerned about auto theft in the city."
"Well we've deployed extra resources toward it in the last few months and we feel it's made a tangible difference."
"Cool. You guys racist?"
"Of course not, sir."
"K, cya".

lol I dunno

"Course not, but better show us some ID just to be safe."

"What did I do?"

"You got something to hide?"

[Crown Royal]

Originally Posted by corporatejay

Here's an example of white privilege that I've come to learn to accept.

I often hear people say "well if a cop asked me if it was my car, I'd just show it was my car and move on"

and candidly, I'm sure, at some point in my young life, I probably thought that way too. And then I listened to PoCs and realized, this doesn't just happen once and you know what, if it happened a couple of times a year, after the 5th time, I'd probably tell the cop to go #### himself and then it's on.

In my life I've had a copy "profile" me once. My friends and I were standing outside of the 7-11 in Queensland/Deer Ridge. We had just finished playing basketball at a nearby park, on a friday night, dressed in sports clothes, all sweaty and we had gone to get slurpees (loser buys).

A cop pulls out as we are hanging outside waiting for our friends and says "You guys can't loiter here, get out of here" I responded "we're just waiting for our friends" and he screamed "I SAID DISPERSE AND IF I COME BACK OUT AND YOU'RE STILL HERE WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A PROBLEM"

It was brutal, it was 21 years ago, and compared to some of the interactions I hear PoCs have with the police, it's literally nothing, but it still sticks with me, like, i was doing nothing wrong. I cannot imagine dealing with that on a even a semi regular basis in so many different aspects of my life.

It's not even just the police, it's society in general.

In school other kids would constantly touch my hair without my permission, it was like I was some kind of zoo animal. It happened from elementary through University, after Jr. High it was pretty much exclusively girls doing it).

Before I met my wife, I tried online dating and at least 1 of 3 comments were something about BBC or saying they'd never been with a black guy before.

I get followed in many stores by staff.

I've been pulled over 3 times this year, twice asked if they could search my car. I complied because I had nothing to hide and who knows what would happen if I didn't. I've never had a single demerit on my license, hell I've never even got a photo radar or parking ticket. I've been pulled over so many times in my life that I lost count. I've been assaulted by having my head slammed into the hood of my car and had a gun pointed at my head.

I can't go for a walk without at least 1 person yelling some kind of slur at me.

Systemic racism is definitely a problem, but so is good old fashioned regular racism.

[peter12]

####ing brutal. Disgusting. I have had my eyes opened a lot over the last few weeks. Embarrassingly so. I always knew racism was an issue but one that felt kind of far away. Now I see how everyday an occurence it is for so many of my fellow Canadians and that I have, in some way, benefited from it. I have a lot of work to do.

[stang]

Originally Posted by peter12

####ing brutal. Disgusting. I have had my eyes opened a lot over the last few weeks. Embarrassingly so. I always knew racism was an issue but one that felt kind of far away. Now I see how everyday an occurence it is for so many of my fellow Canadians and that I have, in some way, benefited from it. I have a lot of work to do.

100% how I’m feeling.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

In school other kids would constantly touch my hair without my permission, it was like I was some kind of zoo animal.

This part of it was so annoying. People used to stick coloured pencils in my hair for entertainment. To some degree I could understand this... they have just never seen afro textured hair and it's foreign to them. I didn't have it in my to stand up for myself.

The first girl I really liked in high school, her dad ended up sitting me down to tell me I couldn't see the daughter anymore because mom wasn't comfortable with it. He was as nice as he could possibly be about it and I respect him for that, but boy that one really hurt. I cried for a long time. That was 2006... not even that long ago. That's the only time in my life where there were thoughts in my head that I didn't want to be black anymore.

[Pizza]

Originally Posted by Crown Royal

It's not even just the police, it's society in general.

In school other kids would constantly touch my hair without my permission, it was like I was some kind of zoo animal. It happened from elementary through University, after Jr. High it was pretty much exclusively girls doing it).

Before I met my wife, I tried online dating and at least 1 of 3 comments were something about BBC or saying they'd never been with a black guy before.

I get followed in many stores by staff.

I've been pulled over 3 times this year, twice asked if they could search my car. I complied because I had nothing to hide and who knows what would happen if I didn't. I've never had a single demerit on my license, hell I've never even got a photo radar or parking ticket. I've been pulled over so many times in my life that I lost count. I've been assaulted by having my head slammed into the hood of my car and had a gun pointed at my head.

I can't go for a walk without at least 1 person yelling some kind of slur at me.

Systemic racism is definitely a problem, but so is good old fashioned regular racism.

This all happened in Calgary? If not, where were you experiencing this?

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by Acey

This part of it was so annoying. People used to stick coloured pencils in my hair for entertainment. To some degree I could understand this... they have just never seen afro textured hair and it's foreign to them. I didn't have it in my to stand up for myself.

The first girl I really liked in high school, her dad ended up sitting me down to tell me I couldn't see the daughter anymore because mom wasn't comfortable with it. He was as nice as he could possibly be about it and I respect him for that, but boy that one really hurt. I cried for a long time. That was 2006... not even that long ago. That's the only time in my life where there were thoughts in my head that I didn't want to be black anymore.

I remember grade 2, I was colouring with a group in class and one of the pink or peach pencil crayons was colloquially called "skin colour". I remember calling it that and the one black kid picked it up and held it against his arm and looked really confused. We all kind of laughed about it, but when I got older and thought about it, it must have made him feel really alienated. It was a small town and his family was one of only two black families in town (and the only one with kids around my age). They had just moved from Toronto but were originally from Zimbabwe. I ended up becoming good childhood friends with him, but for sure we were ignorant at the time. I think we all had to touch his hair at some point. He didn't seem to mind the attention, but I have no doubt he didn't really feel great about it. It's embarrassing to think about it now.

And the second part of your story, that is just sad.