July 1st Free Agents

[Flames67]

Only D-man worth considering throwing any money at is obviously Pietrangelo, which would really solve a lot of problems for us. Him and Gio on the top pair, and then Eventually Valimaki - Pietrangelo with Gio - Andersson following as a second pair.

As for the forward group, I don't mind the idea of hall but considering the personality I've heard of, injury history, likely contract terms, and no sense of what consistent winning feels likes, I see this being elating at first but disappointing soon after. I'd way rather move focus to offer sheeting Barzal or Domi, with Domi being a more likely to happen target who can act as a true 2C. Hoffman wouldn't be a bad idea to look at either, perennial scorer who fits the need for a 1/2 RW.

[FanIn80]

Max offer sheet for Barzal sounds good to me. (Provided we have the compensatory picks, of course.)

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Max offer sheet for Barzal sounds good to me. (Provided we have the compensatory picks, of course.)

I’d be legitimately scared to offer sheet Lou.

[Jacks]

Originally Posted by Sandman

He actually took the time to re-post the quote in a sarcastic attempt to make me look bad.

Whoops, that went right over my head. I thought someone was running 2 accounts and had forgotten that they already posted the same thing.

[Spurly]

Might be dumb questions, but I am trying to understand this years free agent situation.

So what happens with these guys this year. They are no longer under contract with their former teams as of July 1st.
If they play, in the playoffs, are they pro rated?
Do they have a choice to play or not?
In the event of a career ending injury, who is responsible?

Just trying to understand this situation.

[Blaster86]

Originally Posted by dino7c

We will see about that...some massive contracts coming up, double digits per season for a couple guys IMO

Yep, we could be back in cap hell very quickly. Especially depending how the cap looks after this current #### show.

[Spurly]

Originally Posted by Spurly

Might be dumb questions, but I am trying to understand this years free agent situation.

So what happens with these guys this year. They are no longer under contract with their former teams as of July 1st.
If they play, in the playoffs, are they pro rated?
Do they have a choice to play or not?
In the event of a career ending injury, who is responsible?

Just trying to understand this situation.

Can somebody explain this to me please.

[TheScorpion]

Pretty sure the players will agree or have agreed to have their contracts with their current teams extended until the end of the playoffs.

Guys don't get paid for the playoffs so there's no issues with pro-rating salaries.

[AC]

Originally Posted by Spurly

Can somebody explain this to me please.

From the first reply to this thread:

Originally Posted by getbak

Everything will be pushed back until after the playoffs are over. No dates have been announced yet.

So if players' existing contracts are being extended then so will their insurance.

[Spinach]

Why would the Flames sign Hall? They have limited cap space, he's going to cost a fortune and want a long contract, and the last thing they need is another left-shooting LW.

I hope they stay far away and use the money to fill out the other holes in the roster, especially RW or a right-handed centre.

[1qqaaz]

Originally Posted by Spinach

Why would the Flames sign Hall? They have limited cap space, he's going to cost a fortune and want a long contract, and the last thing they need is another left-shooting LW.

I hope they stay far away and use the money to fill out the other holes in the roster, especially RW or a right-handed centre.

Because if you sign Hall, you can trade away Gaudreau.
Gaudreau could fetch a ton of great young assets. Young assets don't cost a lot.

Hall is young enough that a long term contract wouldn't be terrible. However I would be worried about his speed and durability as he gets older.

Anyways, it's more about asset management. Something the Flames typically don't do. And of course, the only reason anyone is even discussing this in the first place is that since Hall is from Calgary, it's conceivable that he would sign there.

[dino7c]

Originally Posted by Spinach

Why would the Flames sign Hall? They have limited cap space, he's going to cost a fortune and want a long contract, and the last thing they need is another left-shooting LW.

I hope they stay far away and use the money to fill out the other holes in the roster, especially RW or a right-handed centre.

Because it might be nice to have multiple good players on the team...recent MVPs don't become available often.

I would rather "overpay" a legitimate high end player than 2 or 3 useless ones

[AC]

Originally Posted by dino7c

I would rather "overpay" a legitimate high end player than 2 or 3 useless ones

Exactly this. If the Flames are a legitimate consideration from Hall as a free agent, they have to swing for the fences.

I'd rather add an elite 28 year old player and fill out the roster with some hard working ELCs or camp tryouts than overpay a couple middle tier UFAs.

[MrMike]

Originally Posted by AC

Exactly this. If the Flames are a legitimate consideration from Hall as a free agent, they have to swing for the fences.

I'd rather add an elite 28 year old player and fill out the roster with some hard working ELCs or camp tryouts than overpay a couple middle tier UFAs.

We missed on getting Stone, I don’t think we can afford to miss on Hall. We need another lethal threat up front. With how hard Treliving was going for in trades for the both, I would be shocked if he did not end up here. It will be Halls choice, not because of Tre that he is not here.

[AC]

Originally Posted by MrMike

We missed on getting Stone, I don’t think we can afford to miss on Hall. We need another lethal threat up front. With how hard Treliving was going for in trades for the both, I would be shocked if he did not end up here. It will be Halls choice, not because of Tre that he is not here.

Yeah, Stone would have been great but the cost to acquire him and then to overpay him (especially if the rumours are true about him only having eyes for Vegas) would have been crazy expensive.

If we can simply sign Hall, then the Flames can trade from a position of strength with 3 legitimate #1 LWers. Trade Johnny for 1 or 2 big assets in another position and we're laughing.

Worst case scenario we don't manage to sign Hall and Johnny walks as a free agent. That'd be devastating to the franchise IMO.

[TheScorpion]

It would be so refreshing for the team to replenish the cupboards and do a quick retool by trading Johnny and signing Hall. That's the kind of maneuver that gets you places. You can avoid doing a full teardown that way.

Tkachuk, Monahan, and Lindholm are all really strong pieces to keep long-term. The hope is that one or two of Dube, Mangiapane, Pelletier and Bennett can join them in the core at some point. But after that... the Flames' collection of young forward talent is pretty lacking. Trading Johnny can probably get you a guy for now and a couple guys for later and it would probably make the Flames deeper and stronger, organizationally.

I think it would be a move much like the second Hamilton trade, which gave the Flames two younger bullets in the chamber. One of them is already better than Hamilton was for them. The other one is showing lots of promise towards getting to that level. Let's see a deal like that for Johnny, please.

[ForeverFlameFan]

Originally Posted by FanIn80

Max offer sheet for Barzal sounds good to me. (Provided we have the compensatory picks, of course.)

Originally Posted by dino7c

Because it might be nice to have multiple good players on the team...recent MVPs don't become available often.

I would rather "overpay" a legitimate high end player than 2 or 3 useless ones

Originally Posted by AC

Exactly this. If the Flames are a legitimate consideration from Hall as a free agent, they have to swing for the fences.

I'd rather add an elite 28 year old player and fill out the roster with some hard working ELCs or camp tryouts than overpay a couple middle tier UFAs.

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It would be so refreshing for the team to replenish the cupboards and do a quick retool by trading Johnny and signing Hall. That's the kind of maneuver that gets you places. You can avoid doing a full teardown that way.

Tkachuk, Monahan, and Lindholm are all really strong pieces to keep long-term. The hope is that one or two of Dube, Mangiapane, Pelletier and Bennett can join them in the core at some point. But after that... the Flames' collection of young forward talent is pretty lacking. Trading Johnny can probably get you a guy for now and a couple guys for later and it would probably make the Flames deeper and stronger, organizationally.

I think it would be a move much like the second Hamilton trade, which gave the Flames two younger bullets in the chamber. One of them is already better than Hamilton was for them. The other one is showing lots of promise towards getting to that level. Let's see a deal like that for Johnny, please.

Agreeing with everything said. If you can land Hall, then you can trade Gaudreau for assets.

I also think that we should go for Barzal, whether that be through a trade using Gaudreau as the base or having the Flames offersheet the Isles and then recoup some assets (picks and top end prospects) with Gaudreau. That way we are okay with losing the compensatory picks from getting Barzal.

I know for some people Hall isn't the right player to acquire with us being the deepest at LW, arguably the deepest in the league, but when is the last time we had a serious shot at acquiring a player that actually wants to play here? And all it would cost is cap space and term. I'd rather we had a player that wanted to play here, who MAYBE can take somewhat of a discount (it's fine if he doesn't), and someone who was a Hart trophy candidate not too long ago?

I also think we don't have a legit shot at Pietrangelo. Multiple teams are going to go after him, and I feel he'll get better offers elsewhere.

[TheScorpion]

Not just a Hart candidate. Hall was a Hart winner. I don't care if people say he's cursed. Ryan O'Reilly was cursed, too, until he won the Conn Smythe.

[Roof-Daddy]

Originally Posted by TheScorpion

It would be so refreshing for the team to replenish the cupboards and do a quick retool by trading Johnny and signing Hall. That's the kind of maneuver that gets you places. You can avoid doing a full teardown that way.

Tkachuk, Monahan, and Lindholm are all really strong pieces to keep long-term. The hope is that one or two of Dube, Mangiapane, Pelletier and Bennett can join them in the core at some point. But after that... the Flames' collection of young forward talent is pretty lacking. Trading Johnny can probably get you a guy for now and a couple guys for later and it would probably make the Flames deeper and stronger, organizationally.

I think it would be a move much like the second Hamilton trade, which gave the Flames two younger bullets in the chamber. One of them is already better than Hamilton was for them. The other one is showing lots of promise towards getting to that level. Let's see a deal like that for Johnny, please.

All true, but I'll be shocked if the Flames do the right thing here. They never do.

We have two top 4 defensemen walking away as UFA's now when one or both should have been dealt for help up front or some prospect/draft pick capital.

Well, to be fair they did have Brodie traded for a good young C but Kadri nixed the deal with his NTC the piece of crap.....and then Valimaki got a season ending injury before the season even started. Still though, asset management has not been a strong point of the Flames org for decades now.

[timbit]

Originally Posted by Roof-Daddy

All true, but I'll be shocked if the Flames do the right thing here. They never do.

We have two top 4 defensemen walking away as UFA's now when one or both should have been dealt for help up front or some prospect/draft pick capital.

Well, to be fair they did have Brodie traded for a good young C but he nixed the deal with his NTC the piece of crap.....and then Valimaki got a season ending injury before the season even started. Still though, asset management has not been a strong point of the Flames org for decades now.

Just to clarify, which player are you claiming nixed the deal ?