Ellen Degeneres just got in a bunch of trouble for saying People of Color as it relates to the ongoing protests. The controversy there is that these protests are specifically about how Black people are treated.
Living in Virginia, I find that the people most likely to use African American are the ones trying hard not to seem racist, but have zero significant interactions with Black people and are the ones to slowly walk inside their house and lock the door if a Black teenager is walking down the street.
I was watching some old civil rights activist videos on Youtube, and something that was mentioned a few times is how the word "black" was often used as a negative in Christianity and Western lore. I think it was James Baldwin that felt the Puritan God was a big reason for white supremacy ideology. This was was one of the reasons some black people started emphasizing "African" as an adjective.
"African" does sound very dignified to me, but considering how big and diverse Africa is, it is very broad. It also does create the notion that one group of people is exotic or foreign when that isn't the case.
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It's getting crazy. Wendy Mesley is probably going to get fired from CBC for using the N-word in a meeting. She was using it in the context of quoting someone else.
It was another reporter at the CBC that called her out and demanded she be fired. That seems even weirder. She made an error in not editing the material for 'air', but it was a direct quote. She was obligated to not alter the meaning of the material, but there are ways to sidestep a word like that. Fired for a mistake in editing. That's unusual.
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Ellen Degeneres just got in a bunch of trouble for saying People of Color as it relates to the ongoing protests. The controversy there is that these protests are specifically about how Black people are treated.
Those black people are racist. People of color have also been discriminated against and they are in full support of these protests.
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Those black people are racist. People of color have also been discriminated against and they are in full support of these protests.
"People of color" as a term has a history in the US and it is largely associated with the subjugation of African Americans. Other races or ethnicities were not usually captured under this euphemism.
"People of color" as a term has a history in the US and it is largely associated with the subjugation of African Americans. Other races or ethnicities were not usually captured under this euphemism.
You're right, but I don't think this is the context the complainers using it as. And people should be aware that times have changed and the way Ellen used it is inclusive of everyone. Maybe there is no nuance on twitter?
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You're right, but I don't think this is the context the complainers using it as. And people should be aware that times have changed and the way Ellen used it is inclusive of everyone. Maybe there is no nuance on twitter?
Nuance does not exist in the United States. It took me a while to understand that, and when I say that, I mean about a decade. Nuance is lost on the vast majority of Americans because the see things through very restrictive lenses and rely on only what they have been exposed to.
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In the Austin area a former postal worker died after being tased by cops filming “Live PD” show.
This happened in March 2019, but according to the article it didn’t make the headlines outside of Austin at the time. And barely there as well. It’s come out now, of course, due to recent events.
He tells the officers he has a congestive heart condition, and that he can’t breathe. The officers don’t care.
The problem is any term that denotes a minority will become negative in time because the word takes on the negative perceptions of the majority.
The logical part of me gets annoyed that language is a bit of an ever changing minefield, the empathetic part of me realises that trying to be careful about what I say is a tiny price to pay to not cause hurt to my fellow humans and utterly insignificant to the issues that minorities face
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It's the same criteria, as long as you're referring to a people and not a colour of people, as far as I'm aware, that's probably ok. The reason you don't see it really addressed in spoken language is because the difference is pretty hard to perceive and relies heavily on context.
It's not even like the difference is the difference between "being a racist" and "not being a racist" in written language. "Black" is generally appropriate, the correct usage of it in written language is with a capital B. If you use write it with a lowercase B you're not a bad person or evil or something off the wall like that, you're just not using it correctly. If I refer to the Black community in spoken language, nobody is asking me "Capital B or lowercase B???" and if I were to say "black community" in written language (and I have) the worst I got was "the correct use is with a capital B." It's just mentally wrapping your head around it as an appropriate replacement of "African Americans" or whatever, not as a colour descriptor.
When you get into what March said, where "black" becomes a noun (the blacks, a black, etc.) in written OR spoken language, you're obviously offside.
Uhmmm...this is a complete contradiction?
If you are using ‘black’ as an adjective, you shouldn’t be capitalizing it. If it’s being capitalized, you are using it as a proper noun and doing the exact opposite of what you’re saying not to.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter, as you can connote prejudice or equality using any type of word. Just wanted to point out that what is being suggested here isn’t actually a real possibility.
Also, regarding Wendy Mesley, dear god. If there has ever been an argument for critical thought and context, this would be it. A journalist panel on race in journalism, and she’s quoting a journalist...and risks losing her job. Way to go CBC.
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It was another reporter at the CBC that called her out and demanded she be fired. That seems even weirder. She made an error in not editing the material for 'air', but it was a direct quote. She was obligated to not alter the meaning of the material, but there are ways to sidestep a word like that. Fired for a mistake in editing. That's unusual.
It is unusual. I dont get it. Why does leadership automatically take the complainers side? Don't they know the context of the quote, the context of an editing meeting? They've only done it a million times. Don't they know Mesley who has been around forever? Is she suddenly racist? To me it's just a lack of leadership.
Anyways a bit off topic but I find the language minefield insane. My days are probably numbered.
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Uhmmm...this is a complete contradiction?
If you are using ‘black’ as an adjective, you shouldn’t be capitalizing it. If it’s being capitalized, you are using it as a pronoun, and doing the exact opposite of what you’re saying not to.
At the end of the day, it doesn’t really matter, as you can connote prejudice or equality using any type of word. Just wanted to point out that what is being suggested here isn’t actually a real possibility.
Also, regarding Wendy Mesley, dear god. If there has ever been an argument for critical thought and context, this would be it. A journalist panel on race in journalism, and she’s quoting a journalist...and risks losing her job. Way to go CBC.
No it isn’t. Your understanding of adjectives and pronouns is way off here.
You capitalise proper adjectives, which is what Black person/Black community/etc is. Pronouns are “he/she/they/we” etc where the noun has already been mentioned. “Black” as a noun is considered offensive (a black, the blacks).
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It was another reporter at the CBC that called her out and demanded she be fired. That seems even weirder. She made an error in not editing the material for 'air', but it was a direct quote. She was obligated to not alter the meaning of the material, but there are ways to sidestep a word like that. Fired for a mistake in editing. That's unusual.
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The logical part of me gets annoyed that language is a bit of an ever changing minefield, the empathetic part of me realises that trying to be careful about what I say is a tiny price to pay to not cause hurt to my fellow humans and utterly insignificant to the issues that minorities face
Except when you recognize that new terms aren't coined by average members of the group in question, but by academics and activists who gain esteem by being early adapters of language. Once a term becomes mainstream, it no longer signals a cutting edge progressive outlook, and so a new term must be coined by the cultural trend-setters.
It's like fashion, music, gaming, etc. If you're an expert, the last thing you want to be associated with is the conventions of muggles.
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It is unusual. I dont get it. Why does leadership automatically take the complainers side?
Fear and cowardice. Even if CBC brass understand the context and are 100 per cent sure Mesley didn't do anything wrong, why stick their necks out and risk their own jobs and reputations? Suspend her, issue a statement of condemnation, and move on. In today's political climate, there's nothing to gain and everything to lose from standing on principles in the face of moral outrage.
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Except when you recognize that new terms aren't coined by average members of the group in question, but by academics and activists who gain esteem by being early adapters of language. Once a term becomes mainstream, it no longer signals a cutting edge progressive outlook, and so a new term must be coined by the cultural trend-setters.
It's like fashion, music, gaming, etc. If you're an expert, the last thing you want to be associated with is the conventions of muggles.
possibly true but who cares? the least I can do to atone for the grim history of my country and my ethnicity is try to watch what I say
possibly true but who cares? the least I can do to atone for the grim history of my country and my ethnicity is try to watch what I say
Being careful not to use terms most people in question find offensive, and immediately adopting the newest term coined by academics and culture mavens 10 months ago are two entirely different things.
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