Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

Whoa

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268756644604887043

Well. This should be interesting. I will wait to see what they come up with, but hey, sounds like we might be on the verge of having ourselves a real life Bartertown!

[PsYcNeT]

This is incredibly dire, holy hell. What is happening in the US.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268516019099840512

[undercoverbrother]

Originally Posted by PsYcNeT

This is incredibly dire, holy hell. What is happening in the US.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268516019099840512

I have a lot of family and close friends down there and I legitimately am concerned for their safety.

[DeluxeMoustache]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I don’t know man, “justice for Floyd” and all that... Justice for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman’s belly should probably be death. If someone did that to my wife when she was pregnant I would have zero issue with their death, however it was administered.

I can certainly see why protests in the name of a justice for a violent criminal would be infuriating. The black community suffers a lot of injustice, and has a lot more noble characters affected by it, than the names that get used (I would imagine that’s the frustration).

Well, you appear to be putting yourself in the shoes of a victim of George Floyd, which is a good start

Recognize though that it is not justice for George Floyd, the all around great, squeaky clean, innocent person.

It’s justice for George Floyd, the guy who was apprehended (perhaps and even likely deservedly) and then, being in a non threatening position, begging for breath and not to be killed, and the cop that should have been aware of the situation that he was squeezing the last bit of life out of that man, and coldly went ahead and did it

And the point is that there are a lot of people viewing themselves (and others) in the shoes of that victim right now.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I don’t know man, “justice for Floyd” and all that... Justice for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman’s belly should probably be death. If someone did that to my wife when she was pregnant I would have zero issue with their death, however it was administered.

I can certainly see why protests in the name of a justice for a violent criminal would be infuriating. The black community suffers a lot of injustice, and has a lot more noble characters affected by it, than the names that get used (I would imagine that’s the frustration).

I'm sorry the murdered guy didn't live up to your standards.

[starseed]

Originally Posted by PeteMoss

I'm sorry the murdered guy didn't live up to your standards.

You are misrepresenting his point. He was saying that it is fine for police to execute people in the streets in certain circumstances, even when they are submissive and defenseless.

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[MarchHare]

Originally Posted by 81MC

I don’t know man, “justice for Floyd” and all that... Justice for pointing a gun at a pregnant woman’s belly should probably be death. If someone did that to my wife when she was pregnant I would have zero issue with their death, however it was administered.

I can certainly see why protests in the name of a justice for a violent criminal would be infuriating. The black community suffers a lot of injustice, and has a lot more noble characters affected by it, than the names that get used (I would imagine that’s the frustration).

How about this. If you have a problem with people calling for justice for George Floyd because he doesn't live up to your standards of a man who shouldn't be murdered by the police, how about justice for Tamir Rice instead?

Tamir was a 12-year old African-American boy from Cleveland. He had no criminal record, no issues with drugs, nothing that you could possibly find objectionable. On November 22, 2014, he was playing with a toy gun in a park, something I (and I'm guessing you as well) did literally thousands of times as a kid. Some white Karen, or whatever name we use for the male equivalent of Karen, called 911 to report a black male with a gun.

Police appeared on the scene. According to an analysis of video evidence, the responding officer opened fire on Tamir within two seconds of his arrival. Tamir died from the gunshot wounds the next day. A grand jury declined to charge the officer with any wrong-doing.

[corporatejay]

Originally Posted by starseed

You are misrepresenting his point. He was saying that it is fine for police to execute people in the streets in certain circumstances, even when they are submissive and defenseless.

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Even if the police don't know about those circumstances but find out about them later for after the fact justification.

I just want to make sure we have it all correct.

[White Out 403]

Nothing wrong with Candace Owens video. Her message was to stop martyring criminals to the black community. Predictably we had white folks on here come on and mock her message in a way she in the video said would happen. She said over and over again that the police should be in jail.

I said kind of the same thing a few pages back. Per interaction with police, white people get killed more than black people. Police are killed more by blacks than vice versa. The issue is that black americans have way more interactions with the police, and some of that is racism, and most of that is poverty and lack of real opportunity. There are real policy prescriptions to be made, like spending a lot more on minority children by way of after school programs to keep them out of gangs, UBI, and the schools they go to.

As for the police? There was a great 538 podcast that went over the data and how positive results were for retraining police forces to eliminate choke holds and have lethal force as an absolute last resort. And having a certain threshold of your force be visible minorities.

But that involves more taxes and less money for little Becky and Chads posh Orange County school. So instead, we will get black out tuesdays, white people kneeling in front of black people, and no real change will exist.

It's actually pretty infuriating to watch play out.

[Baron von Kriterium]

Originally Posted by GirlySports

1. Does the Canadian Forces Reserves still do this training consistently?

Yes, annually, including OP HONOUR, Bystander Intervention, Harassment, GBA+ (one time online course), ethics and Diversity/Employment Equity.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

So instead, we will get black out tuesdays, white people kneeling in front of black people, and no real change will exist.

See, you say "no real change", but apparently Minneapolis is about to disband its police force. That's real change. I mean, it's not necessarily GOOD change... but, you know. Change.

[PeteMoss]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Nothing wrong with Candace Owens video. Her message was to stop martyring criminals to the black community. Predictably we had white folks on here come on and mock her message in a way she in the video said would happen. She said over and over again that the police should be in jail.

I said kind of the same thing a few pages back. Per interaction with police, white people get killed more than black people. Police are killed more by blacks than vice versa. The issue is that black americans have way more interactions with the police, and some of that is racism, and most of that is poverty and lack of real opportunity. There are real policy prescriptions to be made, like spending a lot more on minority children by way of after school programs to keep them out of gangs, UBI, and the schools they go to.

As for the police? There was a great 538 podcast that went over the data and how positive results were for retraining police forces to eliminate choke holds and have lethal force as an absolute last resort. And having a certain threshold of your force be visible minorities.

But that involves more taxes and less money for little Becky and Chads posh Orange County school. So instead, we will get black out tuesdays, white people kneeling in front of black people, and no real change will exist.

It's actually pretty infuriating to watch play out.

The protesters are majority democrats who are not the anti tax people you speak of. No one loves to pay more taxes... But the the anti tax people are the Republican/Conservatives who are not the majority of people in the streets.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by MarchHare

How about this. If you have a problem with people calling for justice for George Floyd because he doesn't live up to your standards of a man who shouldn't be murdered by the police, how about justice for Tamir Rice instead?

Tamir was a 12-year old African-American boy from Cleveland. He had no criminal record, no issues with drugs, nothing that you could possibly find objectionable. On November 22, 2014, he was playing with a toy gun in a park, something I (and I'm guessing you as well) did literally thousands of times as a kid. Some white Karen, or whatever name we use for the male equivalent of Karen, called 911 to report a black male with a gun.

Police appeared on the scene. According to an analysis of video evidence, the responding officer opened fire on Tamir within two seconds of his arrival. Tamir died from the gunshot wounds the next day. A grand jury declined to charge the officer with any wrong-doing.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/natio...208-story.html

this white guy was on his hands and knees sobbing, crying his eyes out. Shot in cold blood. Police found not guilty. Yeah, police suck. They are trained awful. I agree. And for some reason, people seem really unwilling to convict dirty cops.

Hopefully if anything this will change and people will stop putting our police on a pedestal.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by White Out 403

Nothing wrong with Candace Owens video. Her message was to stop martyring criminals to the black community.

I have 2 problems with that. The first being that having a criminal record doesn't make someone a bad person (it doesn't even always mean they are guilty). Just like not having a criminal record often means that you are just able to afford better legal representation.

The second being that George Floyd will never get his day in court for the recent crime he is accused of. He is presumed innocent.

[Oling_Roachinen]

Charles Kinsey is probably the most repugnant of the police shootings. Fortunately, he did survive.

But he was a social care worker, trying to take care of a person with severe autism who wandered from the care facility. The autistic person was playing with a toy truck in the middle of street.

When police came, Charles Kinsey explained the situation, laid completely flat on his back with his hands up. Somehow the ####ing idiots shot him.

[White Out 403]

Originally Posted by FlamesAddiction

I have 2 problems with that. The first being that having a criminal record doesn't make someone a bad person (it doesn't even always mean they are guilty). Just like not having a criminal record often means that you are just able to afford better legal representation.

The second being that George Floyd will never get his day in court for the recent crime he is accused of. He is presumed innocent.

Ya. No. Dude had a gun to a pregnant woman while his criminal friends ransacked her house. He was a piece of garbage.

Who yes. Deserved his day in court. And the people who murdered him belong in jail.

[Oling_Roachinen]

That's him right before he was shot...

[IrishSpring2013]

Candace Owens is a complete scumbag. The police are not judge nor jury. It doesn't matter if their murder victims are criminals or saintly. Let's not post videos from grifters who form opinions based on how they'll get paid. Is Stephen Crowder the next genius with a hot take to end up here?

We're a week into this, it's incredibly shortsighted to say nothing will come of this. The world needs a hard reset in many ways, Minneapolis looking at their police force is a strong start. A domino effect would be incredible.

Everyday multiple videos come out of police brutality from cities all across America. They abuse their power because they can, they attack journalists because the punishment isn't there. Things are covered up,, swept under the rug or flat out ignored. We've (Canada too) have given police far too much power. The time for change is long overdue.

The whataboutism's and the casual racism in this thread is shocking. We all have our own prejudice, I know I do. The sooner we can own up to it and improve the better.

[GGG]

The disbanding the police force is a really interesting concept. As per Deray McKesson on Bill Simmons podcast the vast majority of the work police do is with non-violent people.

So why do we send armed officers into do the work when it is not necessary. The question would be how do you determine when an event will turn violent.

For example if speed enforcement was just for the purpose of speed enforcement and you couldn’t use giving a speeding ticket to then justify a search of the vehicle could you safely eliminate guns being involved in traffic stops.

[FlamesAddiction]

Originally Posted by GGG

The disbanding the police force is a really interesting concept. As per Deray McKesson on Bill Simmons podcast the vast majority of the work police do is with non-violent people.

So why do we send armed officers into do the work when it is not necessary. The question would be how do you determine when an event will turn violent.

For example if speed enforcement was just for the purpose of speed enforcement and you couldn’t use giving a speeding ticket to then justify a search of the vehicle could you safely eliminate guns being involved in traffic stops.

That's a really good point.

There are also some police positions where people should have more experience in criminal and civic law, volunteerism and community activism.

There are way too many meatheads hired and often not even from the communities they are representing.