Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[Acey]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

A policeman is at far greater risk from a guy in a car with no knife than a guy with a knife and no car and yet we don't see the police shooting drivers if they don't get out of the car the way we do when some poor drunk mentally ill or just stupid schmoe waves a kitchen knife around

Just to confirm again... the guy in the car that has now gotten out of the car has no firearm or weapon that isn't a knife, right? If that is what you mean, then you're going to have to point to the statistic that shows an unarmed person is a greater threat to law enforcement than an armed person.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by KelVarnsen

You really need to find a new word.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by #-3

I'd actually like to see the sourcing on this.

A doctor who was removed quickly after a first malpractice allegation. I have my doubts that you can back that claim up with specific examples.

If you move the goalpost for it to be a "a doctor removed quickly after a first malpractice allegation", then no. My interpretation was merely a doctor facing litigation and subsequent jail time after a malpractice suit, which is what I said my interpretation was.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by OMG!WTF!

I think you're imagining the guy with a knife isn't really very aggressive. Did you watch the video I posted? That guy with a machete really wanted to kill a cop with it. 10 feet became 6 inches in about 5 seconds and it took four or five other cops to shoot him dead. The guy in the other machete video was sort of confused and not really trying very hard. Huge difference.

I'm not saying there aren't situations where a guy with a knife shouldn't be shot. I'm just saying in N America our police tend to way to quick to use their guns.

The case in New Brunswick makes no sense, the boyfriend calls the cops as his girlfriend is scared of a trespasser, she has no criminal record at all, no history of mental illness, no history of violence at all, is a slim built 26 year old mother of a 5 year old, probably 150lbs soaking wet.
This wholly unremarkable woman apparently comes running out of her apartment in a violent rage with a knife for no reason?

I can understand she had a knife if she thought she had a prowler, but if the cop knocks on the door and identifies himself why would she 'fly at him with a knife' perhaps she opened the door holding the knife?

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

- You can refer to a criminal or a bully as a thug, you should not call a Black person a thug.

I agree on all of your points but this one. What if the Black person is a criminal? Is it okay to call him or her a thug?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

Just to confirm again... the guy in the car that has now gotten out of the car has no firearm or weapon that isn't a knife, right? If that is what you mean, then you're going to have to point to the statistic that shows an unarmed person is a greater threat to law enforcement than an armed person.

4 to 5 police are murdered a year by cars in the US, none by knives, so regardless of circumstance a guy in a car is a greater threat than a guy with a knife, and no, as soon as the driver exits the car he has 'dropped' his weapon, he is a greater threat when he is in the car, not out.

[activeStick]

Originally Posted by Acey

This is the incident I was thinking of.







https://torontosun.com/news/local-ne...e-wielding-man

This is awesome and a fantastic story. Big kudos to the officers here.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by jayswin

Haha, yep that about sums it up. Over hundreds of interactions over years I can't remember someone using the word thug to describe anyone.


But I know clearly from just following US news at even a glance that the word "thug" has been used pretty commonly south of the border to describe black people disparagingly. I guess transplant may not have heard it used that way as someone who's (assuming) lived in Canada his whole life.

I lived in the South for 11 years. (North Carolina) I moved back to Calgary in 2011. I have a persective on racism and whatnot most of those white people posting in this thread do not.

In that entire time I never ever heard the term thug used as something deragotory towards any particular race...seriously.

It was always used to describe violent criminals (as it has through out its history in english) who meant and inflicted harm on others and/or their property.

During my time there, one of my best friends opened up a nightclub that catered to anyone but because of the location and music he chose to go with, it was very much a black club as anything else was. He asked me to be part of it from day 1 for a few different reasons of which i did. Everyone who worked there did whatever was necessary to be done..just one of those places when it opened.

Because of the small staff it took I was often on the door. If we got a well known DJ or act in for a Saturday night or whenever, it would be a gong show getting in. First off because of local laws, and because this was eclesively a bar (no food) one had to be a member or have a member sign them in. We also only had a 120 person capacity. So because of that i had to turn away all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons. Certainly things got way out of control a few times. I had a gun pulled on me and pointed square at my face while the guy called me a "cracker". Im not making this up. I actually started to laugh because I knew who he was...about 50 people in line knew who he was and there was video cameras everywhere and he was a signed up member! and I flat out said to him, "you wanna go to jail for life because you cant get in a bar? Every one here knows who you are". He looked around and left immediately.

Now the reason i tell this story is because many of those in line (mostly black but white and some latinos as well)who witnessed this all, and came in after he left without getting in (and never ever to be again), called him nothing but a "poser" or a "wanna be gangster" or a "thug".

Thug has been part of the english lexicon for centuries and it never...ever....referred to anyones race, gender, whatever. There were a couple dealers in there as well whom we had an understanding that they keep the crap out of the club, they were welcome to be part of it which they certainly agreed to as the place was uber popular for a few years. They too considered the word as part of their world though that may be because of the Tupac factor...i have no idea. I mean, President Obama used it in the exact same way i did while he was in office and in regards to the exact same thing.

So those who claim its an "old mans term" or whatever makes you feel better....fill yer boots on that stuff.

The fact is that term has been used to describe gangsters, rioters, bullies, armed robbers, whatever....since long before i was alive.

And I should add...it could be, and likely is since 2016, entirely different because of his orangeness. Though I would add that George W was thought of as the anti-christ too. And I was there for his whole 8 years.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

The case in New Brunswick makes no sense, the boyfriend calls the cops as his girlfriend is scared of a trespasser, she has no criminal record at all, no history of mental illness, no history of violence at all, is a slim built 26 year old mother of a 5 year old, probably 150lbs soaking wet.
This wholly unremarkable woman apparently comes running out of her apartment in a violent rage with a knife for no reason?

I mean... my football teammate from school was wholly unremarkable and had no history of any sort, then killed 3 people and himself on the side of Highway 2 in a violent rage.

Those traits wouldn't disqualify her from opening the door and holding a knife in an aggressive manner.

[bob-loblaw]

Isn't there a 'Proper use of English' thread on this site? I thought there'd be some info about the funeral and such in here.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Acey

I mean... my football teammate from school was wholly unremarkable and had no history of any sort, then killed 3 people and himself on the side of Highway 2 in a violent rage.

Those traits wouldn't disqualify her from opening the door and holding a knife in an aggressive manner.

Off topic but was that the entirely sad incident near Claresholm?

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

I mean... my football teammate from school was wholly unremarkable and had no history of any sort, then killed 3 people and himself on the side of Highway 2 in a violent rage.

Those traits wouldn't disqualify her from opening the door and holding a knife in an aggressive manner.

True, but your friend used a gun if I remember the incident correctly, whole different level of risk, frankly a football playing 21 year old guy with a knife is a different level of risk, this case makes no sense

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by bob-loblaw

Isn't there a 'Proper use of English' thread on this site? I thought there'd be some info about the funeral and such in here.

The funeral is on Monday in Houston.

[Acey]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Off topic but was that the entirely sad incident near Claresholm?

Yes.

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

True, but your friend used a gun if I remember the incident correctly, whole different level of risk, frankly a football playing 21 year old guy with a knife is a different level of risk, this case makes no sense

I was speaking only to the lack of a record being irrelevant to one's criminal actions in a given moment.

When they open the door, her knife would be just as sharp as his.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Acey

Yes.



I was speaking only to the lack of a record being irrelevant to one's criminal actions in a given moment.

When they open the door, her knife would be just as sharp as his.

Yes but cops aren't killed by knives, pretty much ever, so does he have to shoot her? maybe he just retreats to give himself time and space to resolve things, or do we live in a country where it is better to kill someone than expect our police to retreat? if death by knife was a common risk for policeman I might have more sympathy but it is almost unknown here

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by transplant99

I lived in the South for 11 years. (North Carolina) I moved back to Calgary in 2011. I have a persective on racism and whatnot most of those white people posting in this thread do not.

In that entire time I never ever heard the term thug used as something deragotory towards any particular race...seriously.

It was always used to describe violent criminals (as it has through out its history in english) who meant and inflicted harm on others and/or their property.

During my time there, one of my best friends opened up a nightclub that catered to anyone but because of the location and music he chose to go with, it was very much a black club as anything else was. He asked me to be part of it from day 1 for a few different reasons of which i did. Everyone who worked there did whatever was necessary to be done..just one of those places when it opened.

Because of the small staff it took I was often on the door. If we got a well known DJ or act in for a Saturday night or whenever, it would be a gong show getting in. First off because of local laws, and because this was eclesively a bar (no food) one had to be a member or have a member sign them in. We also only had a 120 person capacity. So because of that i had to turn away all kinds of people for all kinds of reasons. Certainly things got way out of control a few times. I had a gun pulled on me and pointed square at my face while the guy called me a "cracker". Im not making this up. I actually started to laugh because I knew who he was...about 50 people in line knew who he was and there was video cameras everywhere and he was a signed up member! and I flat out said to him, "you wanna go to jail for life because you cant get in a bar? Every one here knows who you are". He looked around and left immediately.

Now the reason i tell this story is because many of those in line (mostly black but white and some latinos as well)who witnessed this all, and came in after he left without getting in (and never ever to be again), called him nothing but a "poser" or a "wanna be gangster" or a "thug".

Thug has been part of the english lexicon for centuries and it never...ever....referred to anyones race, gender, whatever. There were a couple dealers in there as well whom we had an understanding that they keep the crap out of the club, they were welcome to be part of it which they certainly agreed to as the place was uber popular for a few years. They too considered the word as part of their world though that may be because of the Tupac factor...i have no idea. I mean, President Obama used it in the exact same way i did while he was in office and in regards to the exact same thing.

So those who claim its an "old mans term" or whatever makes you feel better....fill yer boots on that stuff.

The fact is that term has been used to describe gangsters, rioters, bullies, armed robbers, whatever....since long before i was alive.

And I should add...it could be, and likely is since 2016, entirely different because of his orangeness. Though I would add that George W was thought of as the anti-christ too. And I was there for his whole 8 years.

Yep. I’ve always heard it used to describe a low-end criminal or wannabe gangster/tough guy of any race.

[OMG!WTF!]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

Yes but cops aren't killed by knives, pretty much ever, so does he have to shoot her? maybe he just retreats to give himself time and space to resolve things, or do we live in a country where it is better to kill someone than expect our police to retreat? if death by knife was a common risk for policeman I might have more sympathy but it is almost unknown here

There you go again. You seem to think retreat and running for your life are the same. If someone wants to kill you with a knife you can't really retreat. You freaking book it out of there like the cop in LA. Retreat is possible if there isn't an immediate threat.

[ResAlien]

Blah blah blah blah blah

You’ve been made aware that using the term thug to refer to black people has been used as code for the n word by those on the right for quite some time now. If you’d like to keep referring to black people as thugs please feel free just don’t cry when you get asked to quit being racist. That’s it. No hand waving or making of excuses changes how it’s viewed.

Excellent. Glad we got that out of the way. So, still protesting then yes?

[KootenayFlamesFan]

So many videos like this out there. Need to keep showing these to keep those cops responsible, and possibly fired. They are there to serve and protect, not beat the crap out of defenseless Americans, it's insane.

https://twitter.com/user/status/1268673244715859968

[missdpuck]

Originally Posted by ResAlien

Blah blah blah blah blah

You’ve been made aware that using the term thug to refer to black people has been used as code for the n word by those on the right for quite some time now. If you’d like to keep referring to black people as thugs please feel free just don’t cry when you get asked to quit being racist. That’s it. No hand waving or making of excuses changes how it’s viewed.

Excellent. God we got that out of the way. So, still protesting then yes?

Should we now ban all of the Thug Kitchen cookbooks?

Where I grew up we called the people from the poor Italian neighborhood thugs because they acted tough and swore a lot. Didn’t know any poor black people until I moved to Florida. The black people I knew in NJ were from middle to upper middle class families.

Yep the blacks in Florida were called the n word, of course. I guess it morphed into
“ thug” due to urban culture/rap music. I dunno. To me any low life criminal or bully could be a thug.

But I do get your point.