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Old 06-03-2020, 10:29 PM   #1621
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I used to "date" this EMT and her and her coworkers were nuts. One said they were a perfect mix of cops and doctors lol. Really fun to "date" but not the kind of people I would want to spend meaningful time with.
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Old 06-03-2020, 10:33 PM   #1622
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For two decades, the United States has repeatedly made the mistake of over-relying on the military toolbox to try to solve intractable problems — particularly in Afghanistan and Iraq — without adequately relying on diplomacy. Now President Trump wants to repeat the mistake at home.

The United States military is, according to Gallup polling, the most trusted institution in the country. But Trump’s call to dispatch armed forces to crush protests so that he can look tough betrays the military’s nonpartisan tradition and should trigger all our alarm bells.

It was exactly 31 years ago that I covered the Chinese military’s assault on pro-democracy protesters at Tiananmen Square. There was outrage worldwide, with virtually the only praise in the West coming from … Donald Trump.

“When the students poured into Tiananmen Square, the Chinese government almost blew it,” Trump told Playboy Magazine months later. “Then they were vicious, they were horrible, but they put it down with strength. That shows you the power of strength.”
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If you're the DA, and you offer a plea, you're immediately in hot water. If you want re-election, it's a black mark for you. Take it to trial, and even if he gets off somehow, and at least you can blame the judge/jury.
If the DA goes to court and loses this case, not only will there be more riots, but they are unlikely to have a job after.
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How can this guy NOT be fired?

Like seriously, if a guy has to have 79 internal reviews in three-and-a-half he should at least be canned for wasting internal resources. After a few times you'd think they'd figure out the guy is never going to change. Did they even train him?

He needs to work on his communication skills? No crap. He can't do it without drawing his gun apparently. He basically incites this entire event because he can't communicate. But yeah, let's throw this guy out on the front line of a potential riot. His superior officer should be canned for that decision too.
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"It's fine, no need to subdue them, they're just talking. It sounds like he's giving them an interview, not a big - DID HE JUST SAY MOSQUE?! GO GO GO"
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If the DA goes to court and loses this case, not only will there be more riots, but they are unlikely to have a job after.
But not going to court is a guaranteed loss (politically, and American DAs are political).
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On the New York Times website, they broke down the entire episode from all the different security and cell phone cameras.

I'm unclear about a few things after I saw it. This whole episode is so saddening, maddening and just doesn't make any sense.

1. It may be just the portions that I saw, but is anyone holding the EMTs accountable? Chauvin still had his knee on his neck for about a minute after the ambulance arrived. It looked like Chauvin took his knee off his neck, the EMTs put him on the stretcher and drove away. I didn't see any attempt at CPR as soon as they got there. No urgency at all to try and save him.

2. Does anyone know the timeline of how long the cops were on the scene? After the ambulance left a fire truck pulled up. The cops just waived it off and away it went. After that, it seemed like the police just drove away after a few minutes. Were they actually around for longer than it appeared?

3. Has there been an interview with the store staff that called the police on him? I haven't found anything. I'm curious to hear their thoughts about what has happened since then.

4. This is just an observation, and a moot one at that. The staff called the police on him for a counterfeit bill. He was still sitting in his car across the street and the cops showed up. I didn't see the timeline, but if he knowingly used the bill, don't you think he would have drove away instead of just staying parked there?
This doesn't directly answer any of your questions, but they reminded me of something I heard on NPR yesterday. They were interveiwing 2 former Minneapolis police officers. They were giving analysis of the events as former law enforcement and they noted that in the video they heard the call for an ambulance as 'code 2' which is apparently the non emergency variety where they don't run lights and sirens are just expected to get there in a leisurely amount of time. I think they said code 3 was for emergency mode. (forgive me if I messed up the specifics)

So that to me gives a lot of context on the timeline and possible lack of urgency from paramedics. It doesn't make anything right or excuse any actions. Just hadn't seen it discussed in the hundreds of posts so thought it might add to the discussion.
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We will instead work with local organizations who represent our community, and who will protect and affirm Black and Brown lives. The murder of George Floyd has made it abundantly clear that the presence of off-duty MPD officers at our events will not guarantee the safety of our patrons and does not support our community or our values as an organization.


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I keep getting increasingly disgusted at the process of placing your knee on the neck of a human. That act on its own creates a flight reflex. Your body knows you need to get the #### out of there. They are basically encouraging resistance.
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The United States is a third world country and this is how tin-pot dictators deal with it's citizens. Absolutely disgusting.
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I keep getting increasingly disgusted at the process of placing your knee on the neck of a human. That act on its own creates a flight reflex. Your body knows you need to get the #### out of there. They are basically encouraging resistance.
Yup, try that with any animal and the instant reaction is to GTFO, even if they trust you.
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I keep getting increasingly disgusted at the process of placing your knee on the neck of a human. That act on its own creates a flight reflex. Your body knows you need to get the #### out of there. They are basically encouraging resistance.

A lot of what they do is like that. Like twisting your arm and then telling you to stop resisting....if you stop resisting your arm will break but whatever. Just relax while we mash your nose in the pavement. Your urge to breathe is seriously resisting my arrest! Don't run from my pepper spray! It's all just set up for failure.
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I used to "date" this EMT and her and her coworkers were nuts. One said they were a perfect mix of cops and doctors lol. Really fun to "date" but not the kind of people I would want to spend meaningful time with.
Hahaha, I know I'm behind the discussion in this thread now as I just needed to put my phone down yesterday and take a break from all the news, but I just had to laugh at the EMT talk as I was getting caught up this morning. I've only known 2 people in my life who were EMTs, they were fun guys, but both so cocky in their own way...and kinda greasy too, one of em was the type I always had pegged to be in their 50s and still hanging out at the local dive pub getting in beefs.

I remember being surprised and impressed when I heard he was going to be an EMT, but now it sounds like thats just a natural career path for people like that. So funny how other's experiences with them in this thread mirror my own, interesting. Never would've thought that before, but it kinda makes sense now.
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I've been talking through all of this with a hardcore right winger in the US I used to work with. He's a very smart guy, always seemed nice enough, but he's deep in an echo chamber. It's been interesting and disturbing seeing the lens a lot of people put on this.

His one point has been that there isn't systemic police racism, but police develop stereotypes because of negative interactions with groups of people over time, and they can be a good thing that is actually a protective mechanism.

I've been trying to bring it back further to root causes with him, and discuss why a black male is so disproportionately likely to have an encounter with the law. As part of this I went digging for education funding numbers as hearing US coworkers talk about moving to a "good school district" has always been an alarm bell for me.

This is a fascinating presentation on the funding inequalities in the US education system: https://edbuild.org/content/23-billion

When the UCP is discussing the privatization of education we all need to do our part to push back. Entrenching systemic inequality for children in our province is in none of our best interests.
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