Minneapolis PD Suffocate Unarmed Black Man Who Later Dies in Hospital

[CaptainCrunch]

Originally Posted by afc wimbledon

My guess is if a Governor specifically refused the Military it would go to the Supreme Ct immediately and while they might uphold Federal power over States rights it would be a massive surprise from the Right Wing side of the Court, it would be like watching the 'Does not Compute' robot scene from Star Trek where strict constitutionalists on the right are asked to completely ignore the whole basis of their judicial philosophy to support what would clearly be a federal take over of the States

I don't know if the Supreme Court would even hear the case or take too long to close it out.


State powers are specifically circumvented under the Insurrection Act, which was put in place in case the state was taken over by the insurrectionists.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by hwy19man

"Video shows that a popular barbecue shack operator fatally shot while police and National Guard soldiers were enforcing a curfew in Louisville fired a gun as officers approached his business, the city’s acting police chief said Tuesday."
https://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/world...id=mailsignout

Where's the video?

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by schteve_d

She is clearly, one hundred percent in the wrong but wow! These cops just have to show restraint right now. The could easily have cuffed her and arrested her without knocking her out!

Ehhh... there are a couple of these that have been less objectionable. While I agree that they probably could have dealt with this by tasing her, and at minimum they should try to prevent her from falling in a way that could lead to her hitting her head on the concrete, it's not reasonable to ask them to restrain her while she's still thrashing around at them. Human beings, even if they're not as big as you (and this is not a small woman) are harder to restrain than you might think. This person is clearly not behaving particularly rationally, and she's basically put herself in a position where they have to apply force to her that is sufficient to incapacitate her. In that moment, I can't really fault the other officer for KO'ing her.

This is where we get into the awkward discussion about choke holds, because this is a situation where applying one would be called for under the old guidelines for many police, and obviously that's no longer acceptable, or will be banned very soon. Same issue with tasers - they can obviously be misused or overused, and that should be considered an assault, but they also save lives in situations where the suspect would otherwise just be shot to death.

There are some complicated situations that can arise when police are detaining a suspect, and I think that video provides one. Unfortunately, many of the other videos that have been posted aren't that complicated; they're just abuse.

[Wastedyouth]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

Ehhh... there are a couple of these that have been less objectionable. While I agree that they probably could have dealt with this by tasing her, and at minimum they should try to prevent her from falling in a way that could lead to her hitting her head on the concrete, it's not reasonable to ask them to restrain her while she's still thrashing around at them. Human beings, even if they're not as big as you (and this is not a small woman) are harder to restrain than you might think. This person is clearly not behaving particularly rationally, and she's basically put herself in a position where they have to apply force to her that is sufficient to incapacitate her. In that moment, I can't really fault the other officer for KO'ing her.

This is where we get into the awkward discussion about choke holds, because this is a situation where applying one would be called for under the old guidelines for many police, and obviously that's no longer acceptable, or will be banned very soon. Same issue with tasers - they can obviously be misused or overused, and that should be considered an assault, but they also save lives in situations where the suspect would otherwise just be shot to death.

There are some complicated situations that can arise when police are detaining a suspect, and I think that video provides one. Unfortunately, many of the other videos that have been posted aren't that complicated; they're just abuse.

Um, WTF.

This lady was in the wrong. But that officer sucker punched her from behind and knocked her the f out.

W. T. F. That is unbelievable. This is not how cops are trained to deal with any aggressor. You DO NOT sucker punch them in the face.

That is an officer who has lost control.

Edit: reread your post, you were defending the officer, I was skimming too quick.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CaptainCrunch

I don't know if the Supreme Court would even hear the case or take too long to close it out.


State powers are specifically circumvented under the Insurrection Act, which was put in place in case the state was taken over by the insurrectionists.

It would be in court in seconds flat, the courts would have to rule if a state had been 'overrun' which a hand full of busted up shops hardly constitutes

[Locke]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Al Sharpton on MSNBC right now stating he has been informed by the AG of MN that the other 3 officers in the Floyd video will be arrested and charged in the next few days.

What are they waiting for? Do they not see whats happening outside their windows?

[Maritime Q-Scout]

I ask this earnestly,

What difference does it make if the President has the legal authority to order the military into States or not?

Do you really think a piece of legislation will stop Trump from ordering the military to do his bidding?

The Senate isn't going to stop him.

The SCOTUS isn't going to stop him.

You think the Constitution will?

[Abatedmean]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I ask this earnestly,

What difference does it make if the President has the legal authority to order the military into States or not?

Do you really think a piece of legislation will stop Trump from ordering the military to do his bidding?

The Senate isn't going to stop him.

The SCOTUS isn't going to stop him.

You think the Constitution will?

I think that's because the constitution allows it, which means if it did go to the SCOTUS they would allow it. Secondly I don't see the senate playing much part in it.

[JohnnyB]

The only thing that can stop him is the people in the police and the military refusing to follow his orders.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I ask this earnestly,

What difference does it make if the President has the legal authority to order the military into States or not?

Do you really think a piece of legislation will stop Trump from ordering the military to do his bidding?

The Senate isn't going to stop him.

The SCOTUS isn't going to stop him.

You think the Constitution will?

well that's the question really, do the GOP throw in with a dictator who will have them off to some Alaskan Gulag as quickly as they can say Lavrentiy Beria

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Locke

What are they waiting for? Do they not see whats happening outside their windows?

Yeah im not sure.

Arrest them for negligence and if the charges need to be amended up afterwards, then do that then.

Mind you people are pissed off that chauvin is "only" charged with 3rd degree murder when from what I understand that is very much the charge that the evidence can support and result in conviction.

So maybe they want to be sure that whatever charge they bring against the other 3 will without question be supported by evidence and make sure they cant walk by over reaching on the charges.

Pure guess.

[CorsiHockeyLeague]

Originally Posted by Wastedyouth

W. T. F. That is unbelievable. This is not how cops are trained to deal with any aggressor. You DO NOT sucker punch them in the face.

It does seem like a less than ideal way to incapacitate her... I'm just not sure what he was supposed to do in that situation. Probably use a taser, but in the case that none of the officers had one... again, not sure what they should have done.

Again, it is absolutely not reasonable to say that they should have wrestled her to the ground and pinned her arms behind her back, if that's what anyone was going to suggest - that just demonstrates to me that you've never actually tried to do that to someone who is fully aware of what's going on and trying to stop you. Hell, speaking as someone who worked the door at a bar for 3 years, it's hard enough to do with someone who's wasted.

[Yoho]

Nm

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by Locke

What are they waiting for? Do they not see whats happening outside their windows?

I was thinking the same thing. It might be worth the DAs office to expedite the charges and arrests.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by Maritime Q-Scout

I ask this earnestly,

What difference does it make if the President has the legal authority to order the military into States or not?

Do you really think a piece of legislation will stop Trump from ordering the military to do his bidding?

The Senate isn't going to stop him.

The SCOTUS isn't going to stop him.

You think the Constitution will?

I dont know about that....they interpret law individually and come to a collective decision.

Regardless of their political leanings they are really really smart people and i dont think that it would take them more than a couple hours to rule that ordering military action against US citizens is an over reach no matter how its presented.

I just dont see it getting that far though....the GOP is very much taking notice right now, how can they not? He is looking to cost a whole lot of them their careers by militarizing the streets....rats off a sinking ship responses would follow.

[DownInFlames]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It does seem like a less than ideal way to incapacitate her... I'm just not sure what he was supposed to do in that situation. Probably use a taser, but in the case that none of the officers had one... again, not sure what they should have done.

Again, it is absolutely not reasonable to say that they should have wrestled her to the ground and pinned her arms behind her back, if that's what anyone was going to suggest - that just demonstrates to me that you've never actually tried to do that to someone who is fully aware of what's going on and trying to stop you. Hell, speaking as someone who worked the door at a bar for 3 years, it's hard enough to do with someone who's wasted.

I've worked the door in a bar as well. An RCMP officer came in and taught us takedown techniques. They came in handy several times. An armlock would likely have incapacitated her. It's not a guarantee but with several officers there why not even try that first?

I would never punch someone in the face, nevermind with a suckerpunch. It's too easy for them to hit their head and die.

[afc wimbledon]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It does seem like a less than ideal way to incapacitate her... I'm just not sure what he was supposed to do in that situation. Probably use a taser, but in the case that none of the officers had one... again, not sure what they should have done.

Again, it is absolutely not reasonable to say that they should have wrestled her to the ground and pinned her arms behind her back, if that's what anyone was going to suggest - that just demonstrates to me that you've never actually tried to do that to someone who is fully aware of what's going on and trying to stop you. Hell, speaking as someone who worked the door at a bar for 3 years, it's hard enough to do with someone who's wasted.

When there are 4 or 5 cops yes it is reasonable that they wrestle her to the ground, that's what you signed up for if you are a cop.

[wwkayaker]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It does seem like a less than ideal way to incapacitate her... I'm just not sure what he was supposed to do in that situation. Probably use a taser, but in the case that none of the officers had one... again, not sure what they should have done.

Again, it is absolutely not reasonable to say that they should have wrestled her to the ground and pinned her arms behind her back, if that's what anyone was going to suggest - that just demonstrates to me that you've never actually tried to do that to someone who is fully aware of what's going on and trying to stop you. Hell, speaking as someone who worked the door at a bar for 3 years, it's hard enough to do with someone who's wasted.

It is absolutely reasonable to think that 5 or 6 male officers, who were on scene, could restrain one lady without undue force such as sucker punch to the face. Is the police training so poor that they don’t have the skill set to resolve the issue without punching or tasing her?

[Yamer]

Yeah, there's no excusing or explaining an officer of the law sucker punching a woman from behind and knocking her out. None. The end.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by CorsiHockeyLeague

It does seem like a less than ideal way to incapacitate her... I'm just not sure what he was supposed to do in that situation. Probably use a taser, but in the case that none of the officers had one... again, not sure what they should have done.

Again, it is absolutely not reasonable to say that they should have wrestled her to the ground and pinned her arms behind her back, if that's what anyone was going to suggest - that just demonstrates to me that you've never actually tried to do that to someone who is fully aware of what's going on and trying to stop you. Hell, speaking as someone who worked the door at a bar for 3 years, it's hard enough to do with someone who's wasted.

One option would be to wait and let the person tire themselves out.