Saw Dark Pheonix recently. It was just boring and not very memorable. It don't think I would state that it was actively bad, like X3 though. I actually preferred it over Apocalypse.
I rank First Class relatively high, but agree, mostly for Fassbender:
DOFP was excellent. This is probably one of my favorite uses of special effects in the last decade:
They tried to copy this scene with a slow mo Quicksilver scene in the next two movies, but they just didn't land.
Logan has to be the best for me though. It's a legit good movie. There's a reason why it managed to be nominated for movie awards, beyond just effects and costumes.
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The magneto bar scene is among the top in any movie I've seen honestly, lol. He just does SUCH a good job.
The way the music builds, the dialogue, everything so good.
A buddy of mine worked on a few of the X-Men movies that Fassbender was in, he said that he would be in the pub every night buying everyones drinks. He talked to everyone the same, whether it was Hugh Jackman, someone holding a mic, the Director or a janitor. Just a great, friendly guy to be around who was incredibly respectful. And loved to crush pints In a good way, not a dirty drunk kind of way.
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So who is responsible for these two choices at Warner Brothers? Were both Snyder and Ayer cut or was it a choice they made?
Because whoever decided to replace them and re make their movies produced two total crap piles.
Now it isn't totally fair, because some of the stuff that Snyder might have included originally he will cut now based on feedback, not many people get to re make a crappy movie after receiving 100% feedback from the fans. But at least we can get a glimpse of what he was thinking originally. I would also like Ayer's cut, because Suicide Squad was one of my favourite comic books and they butchered it.
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They completely butchered the Enchantress character. I'm not sure they had understood that she was supposed to be an insane witch, whose anger was only sated by the domination of the June Moone character, whose possession gave the witch human characteristics. Without June, she's basically a horror movie trope. In one of the more recent incarnations (for example), she defeated the Justice League by slicing up Superman with a tornado of rotten teeth.
They took an extremely cinematic character, and made her into a standard comic book villain making a CGI zombie army chick. Pretty boring, and I think that was Ayers doing.
The benefit of an Ayers Cut would be a more cohesive storyline, so I'm still all for it. I think that the execs at WB are pretty meddling and stupid. If it's a straight re-cut with existing footage, it could probably be done for a few million dollars. So, the money is there and the payoff, but it would embarrass the studio...
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I believe for SS what happened was that after the reception of BvS, WB panicked and were like #### audiences don't like dark gritty comic book movies. The trailer for SS was a huge success (the ones with the pop songs) so they said hey lets let the trailer company make a cut of the movie and screen that. Then they thought hey let's add songs to make it fun, people want that right? Completely changing the tone of the film. People have posted online who attended test screenings of the Ayer Cut of SS and it makes more sense and flows much better. There isn't 2 introductions to Harley Quinn and Deadshot lol.
With JL, there was a decision once Snyder had almost completed his film to go with Wheedon to complete it. Instead of giving Wheedon a chance and some time to make the film he wanted to make they said you have to have it out by November so he rushed to get it finished. This lead to the frankenstein film which we all saw. I think Snyder said we only saw about 30 minutes of footage from his film the other 90 minutes as from Wheedon. The reason they didn't want to push the film back to 2018 was because the Studio Execs wanted a bonus that year so they said hell just release what you got who cares.
It had to do with feedback after Batman V. Superman.
Snyder and Ayer were pushing storylines that were right on the border of an R rating. Snyder seemed to be off his rocker a bit too. The infamous Batman rape quote:
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Everyone says that about "Batman Begins." "Batman's dark." I'm like, "Okay, no, Batman's cool." He gets to go to a Tibetan monastery and be trained by ninjas. Okay? I want to do that. But he doesn't, like, get raped in prison. That could happen in my movie. If you want to talk about dark, that's how that would go.
It looks like the studio gave Snyder a carte blanche, saw what was happening, and then stepped in late and made JL as vanilla and family friendly as they could.
It looks like an issue of not enough oversight from WB at the start. Followed by total panic mode and too much oversight for the final product.
They completely butchered the Enchantress character. I'm not sure they had understood that she was supposed to be an insane witch, whose anger was only sated by the domination of the June Moone character, whose possession gave the witch human characteristics. Without June, she's basically a horror movie trope. In one of the more recent incarnations (for example), she defeated the Justice League by slicing up Superman with a tornado of rotten teeth.
They took an extremely cinematic character, and made her into a standard comic book villain making a CGI zombie army chick. Pretty boring, and I think that was Ayers doing.
The benefit of an Ayers Cut would be a more cohesive storyline, so I'm still all for it. I think that the execs at WB are pretty meddling and stupid. If it's a straight re-cut with existing footage, it could probably be done for a few million dollars. So, the money is there and the payoff, but it would embarrass the studio...
Ya, just a quick google and the list of removed scenes listed here are pretty extensive
If you want something great to watch, Never Surrender: A Galaxy Quest Documentary is on Amazon Prime. It's fantastic. All the actors come back (except Rickman of course) and bunch of other actors take part. It's a great celebration of an amazing movie.
They mention the Galaxy Quest show that was in production for Amazon but they didn't want to follow through when Rickman passed away.
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This is a pretty good viewing order, and the reasons are given within the article. It is super spoilery, if you scroll down and read about the reasoning, but the idea is pretty sound.
X-Men: First Class (2011)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
X-Men (2000)
X2 (2003)
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)
The Wolverine (2013)
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)
Dark Phoenix (2019)
Deadpool (2016)
Logan (2017)
Deadpool 2 (2018)
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This is a pretty good viewing order, and the reasons are given within the article. It is super spoilery, if you scroll down and read about the reasoning, but the idea is pretty sound.
X-Men: First Class (2011)
X-Men Origins: Wolverine (2009)
X-Men (2000)
X2 (2003)
X-Men: The Last Stand (2006)
The Wolverine (2013)
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)
Dark Phoenix (2019)
Deadpool (2016)
Logan (2017)
Deadpool 2 (2018)
With my 12 year old I basically went with order made except skipped the Last Stand and the Wolverine movies:
X-Men (2000)
X2 (2003)
X-Men: First Class (2011)
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
X-Men: Apocalypse (2016)
The Wolverine isn’t the worst X-Men movie but it definitely pisses me off the most. It was that close to being an absolutely genre defining film and they completely ruined it. It should’ve had the same vibe as Logan in terms of language and violence except peak angry Wolverine with Samurai. Check out Blood Debt comic for the perfect example.
Surprisingly it’s that movie, not Wolverine Origins that I hate the most. Mainly because despite how awful that was, at least Deadpool was eventually fixed.
X-Men: First Class (2011)
X-Men (2000)
X2 (2003) X-Men: The Last Stand (2006) The Wolverine (2013)
X-Men: Days of Future Past (2014)
Deadpool (2016)
Deadpool 2 (2018)
Logan (2017)
Last Stand being optional.
This way you skip most of the crap.
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I only agree with X-Men lists that have DOFP at #1
After a rewatch of them all, it amazed me how well the first X-Men holds up, and it struck that the reason the movie succeeded (thus jumping starting the comic book movie age) is because it took the source material seriously.
In a good way, not a dirty drunk kind of way.
