Guns. Lots of Guns.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by btimbit

They're just not that common because the restrictions on owning them are a pain in the ass. I'd like to have one but I already have two restricted guns, and don't find handguns interesting enough to deal with the extra BS

I don't like handguns as much either. of course my favorite is the evil AR15. 2 years of savings to buy a $4000 assistive gun mount only to have the one rifle that works good enough with it banned. A real kick in the nuts.

[DuffMan]

whoa, the quadruple post

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

Criminals are going to stop getting guns from the states because there's a ban? We've been through this. Criminals do not follow laws or bans.

what's the point of any laws then? I mean, if people are not going to follow them, just get rid of them, right?

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I've been gone a while, but I don't remember you being this much of an idiot.

oh my. sure hope you don't have anger issues along with a gun fetish

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I understand that some of you don't like guns, but it's scary if you don't have a problem with the way a minority government was able to skip the democratic process and force a law change overnight. And they snuck it in at a time when covid shut everything down. I can't wait till these Liberals are gone.

so, like I said, you are for anything, anything but actually doing something, we get it.

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I don't like handguns as much either. of course my favorite is the evil AR15. 2 years of savings to buy a $4000 assistive gun mount only to have the one rifle that works good enough with it banned. A real kick in the nuts.

hahahaha

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

I understand that some of you don't like guns, but it's scary if you don't have a problem with the way a minority government was able to skip the democratic process and force a law change overnight. And they snuck it in at a time when covid shut everything down. I can't wait till these Liberals are gone.

lol

That moment where you realise Flames_Gimp woke up and forgot it was 2020, where most people don’t even get up for a government skirting the democratic process, and certainly aren’t naive enough to believe its isolated to any one political party or ideology. How cute.

[SportsJunky]

Great to have you back FG.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol

That moment where you realise Flames_Gimp woke up and forgot it was 2020, where most people don’t even get up for a government skirting the democratic process, and certainly aren’t naive enough to believe its isolated to any one political party or ideology. How cute.

Show me the example's of major laws being pushed through like this in Canada. You're so blinded by your irrational fear of guns that you don't even care about democracy.

Your a grown man and you're afraid of sport shooters. Anti-gun crowd are the ones overcompensating for sexual inadequacies.

[Flames_Gimp]

what the hell, I might as well buy a glock 19 9mm (the 19 is so small), a S&W model 29 .44 magnum (Dirty Harry!), a destert eagle and a Beretta tomorrow.

The Anti-gun posters here are excellent firearms salesmen, Duffman and Pepsifree really convinced me that I need 10 handguns. Thanks guys

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

are you sure these aren't the stats that were debunked?
Criminals are going to stop getting guns from the states because there's a ban? We've been through this. Criminals do not follow laws or bans.

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun...tics-1.4779702

They don't have evidence to back the "domestically sourced? conclusion.

They don’t have the evidence in a format that the globe and mail was willing to pay to get. The evidence is written down in case files. I linked the article discussing it in my original post. I don’t think I made any contention that criminals would stop getting guns from the states. Instead I stated there would be a substitution affect where some portion of Canadian sources guns would be replaced by Smuggled guns. So my original posts already addressed your concerns That you brought up.

You have not addressed suicides and you have not addressed whatever portion of guns which are sourced domestic which are used in crimes so I will restate my conclusion.

The statement that a handgun ban will have no affect is highly likely to be false.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by GGG

They don’t have the evidence in a format that the globe and mail was willing to pay to get. The evidence is written down in case files.

except the police don't even know , no one even kept track. Can the police release case files? sounds fishy. 70% of crime guns used by gangs in toronto aren't domestically sourced

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

except the police don't even know , no one even kept track. Can the police release case files? sounds fishy

Re read the globe article I linked. The globe chose not to pay for the access of information request because of cost and duration.

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by GGG

They don’t have the evidence in a format that the globe and mail was willing to pay to get. The evidence is written down in case files. I linked the article discussing it in my original post. I don’t think I made any contention that criminals would stop getting guns from the states. Instead I stated there would be a substitution affect where some portion of Canadian sources guns would be replaced by Smuggled guns. So my original posts already addressed your concerns That you brought up.

You have not addressed suicides and you have not addressed whatever portion of guns which are sourced domestic which are used in crimes so I will restate my conclusion.

The statement that a handgun ban will have no affect is highly likely to be false.

Suicides will happen regardless if guns are legal, that will always exist. You fight suicides through prevention with mental health resources.

If we suspect someone is suicidal and they have guns, there's a hotline to call.

[Reaper]

Originally Posted by PepsiFree

lol

That moment where you realise Flames_Gimp woke up and forgot it was 2020, where most people don’t even get up for a government skirting the democratic process, and certainly aren’t naive enough to believe its isolated to any one political party or ideology. How cute.

That moment when You realize that Pepsi Free woke up and started using “everyone is doing it” to justify the circumvention of the political process because it was for something he agreed with.

[Flames_Gimp]

I'll probably use the buyback money to buy more guns, I think that's what most owners with newly prohibited guns will do. The ban has increased the number of guns out there, backfire!

[Flames_Gimp]

Originally Posted by Reaper

That moment when You realize that Pepsi Free woke up and started using “everyone is doing it” to justify the circumvention of the political process because it was for something he agreed with.

"Everyone else does it" so ignore the fact that Trudeau just acted like a dictator.

[KootenayFlamesFan]

Everyone - if you want to discuss and debate the topic, go for it. But please stop with the useless one liners, insults, etc. Thank you.

[GGG]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

Suicides will happen regardless if guns are legal, that will always exist. You fight suicides through prevention with mental health resources.

If we suspect someone is suicidal and they have guns, there's a hotline to call.

There will most certainly be a substitution affect and data is murky onto whether or not fewer guns leads to fewer suicides.

Your conclusion is still fundamentally wrong. A hand gun ban will certainly save lives. There is sufficient evidence for that. You might want to argue that the loss of liberty and enjoyment of legal users is worth the numbers of lives lost. Or you could argue that money could be better spent elsewhere and could save more lives elsewhere. However a handgun ban will reduce gun deaths in Canada.

[PepsiFree]

Originally Posted by Flames_Gimp

Show me the example's of major laws being pushed through like this in Canada. You're so blinded by your irrational fear of guns that you don't even care about democracy.

Your a grown man and you're afraid of sport shooters. Anti-gun crowd are the ones overcompensating for sexual inadequacies.

Well, let’s break this down.

For one, I’m not sure where you’re getting the idea that I’m scared of guns. I’ve gone shooting, I have friends who hunt whom I fully respect, and while I don’t own any guns myself, it’s not a moral choice, I really just have no use for them.
I’m also not sure why you’re interested in my sexual activity.

Two, no law was pushed through. This law already existed and has existed for some time. What happened was that certain firearms were added to the list that already exists. This was done using an order-in-council, which not only is how that works, but is an extremely common tool. This law has had items added multiple times using this process. Adding items to a law (such as adding guns to a pre-existing list of restricted guns) does not require parliamentary approval. So while this is probably frustrating for gun owners, there’s nothing undemocratic about it. Trudeau uses OICs, Harper used OICs, for decades, OICs have been used both federally and provincially. Yes, this is a “major law” to you, but in the end it’s just an old law restricting firearms, which really doesn’t effect the majority of Canadians, and it had some new items added to it in a way that is acceptable until the law is amended, which neither Trudeau or Harper seemed all that interested in doing.

So, once again, characterising OICs as a Liberal issue, as “undemocratic,” or even suggesting a law was pushed through, just doesn’t line up with reality.

Originally Posted by Reaper

That moment when You realize that Pepsi Free woke up and started using “everyone is doing it” to justify the circumvention of the political process because it was for something he agreed with.

It was fairly tongue-in-cheek given the circumstances. If this is “circumventing the democratic process” then that has happened thousands of times across every government at both the federal and provincial level over the past however many decades.

As far as how I feel about it, as a non-gun owner who really doesn’t care about guns (the gun problem being select owners, not the items themselves of course) they could add or remove hundreds of items from the list every year and I don’t imagine it would impact my life at all.

[wookster]

Originally Posted by Dan02

Doesn't every single gun start out as a legal gun? Or are there gun manufacturers in North America making guns explicitly for the black market?

I can answer this, the answer is no in respect to Canadian laws. There are certain pistols that you cannot own in Canada, a few examples:

• pistols with a barrel length shorter 4.1 inches are illegal
• pistols that are .32 or .25 caliber are illegal.
• pistol clips that hold more than 10 rounds are illegal.

Also, any gun on the restricted list (which includes all handguns) that is not registered with the RCMP is deemed illegal in Canada. There are also guns manufactured for military use only like the C7 rifle that is illegal for civilians to own.

[DuffMan]

Originally Posted by wookster

I can answer this, the answer is no in respect to Canadian laws. There are certain pistols that you cannot own in Canada, a few examples:

• pistols with a barrel length shorter 4.1 inches are illegal
• pistols that are .32 or .25 caliber are illegal.
• pistol clips that hold more than 10 rounds are illegal.

Also, any gun on the restricted list (which includes all handguns) that is not registered with the RCMP is deemed illegal in Canada. There are also guns manufactured for military use only like the C7 rifle that is illegal for civilians to own.

so were they legal when they left the production line, wherever that was?

[btimbit]

Originally Posted by wookster

I can answer this, the answer is no in respect to Canadian laws. There are certain pistols that you cannot own in Canada, a few examples:

• pistols with a barrel length shorter 4.1 inches are illegal
• pistols that are .32 or .25 caliber are illegal.
• pistol clips that hold more than 10 rounds are illegal.

Also, any gun on the restricted list (which includes all handguns) that is not registered with the RCMP is deemed illegal in Canada. There are also guns manufactured for military use only like the C7 rifle that is illegal for civilians to own.

Don't try to answer the question seriously. For some reason, to Duffman, the fact that a gun is legal in Russia is somehow relevant to this discussion