UPDATE: NHLPA votes for further negotiations on 24-team return to play format

[MoneyGuy]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I don’t see it happening either, but understand the efforts. And selfishly would love to watch some hockey.

Got me thinking today though, what would be worse for the NHL financially: To just cancel and wait this out, or to start back up and then be forced to cancel due to a rise in cases (or if the league gets inundated with cases)?

Wouldn’t it take just one case to get this shut down, or reach the point where it should be shut down?

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Wouldn’t it take just one case to get this shut down, or reach the point where it should be shut down?

I think they ride through that scenario, but it brings up another issue I mused over before, which is the benching of a potentially asymptomatic player for 14 days. Which will likely be necessary, but cause a ruckus if it’s a star. There are just so many things that can go wrong I can’t see them starting up again. It’s such an interesting topic though.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by MoneyGuy

Wouldn’t it take just one case to get this shut down, or reach the point where it should be shut down?

A fighter on the UFC card tested positive and the event still went on. Also, future planned events have not been cancelled.

[agulati]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

I would rather them play in a smaller venue, without fans, than a large venue with no fans. Awkwardness is real. Maybe disable ice level mic’s too.


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A huge zoom call with STH/fans piped into the speakers for crowd noises.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

A fighter on the UFC card tested positive and the event still went on. Also, future planned events have not been cancelled.

A solo fighter and a player on a full hockey team that changes practices and workout in the same spaces together is very different.

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[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

A solo fighter and a player on a full hockey team that changes practices and workout in the same spaces together is very different.

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I'm 100% sure that at least the NFL is gonna start up again. They have told teams to have a plan by May 15. So, I have a feeling at least some of these leagues are going to come back. My bet is if a single player tests positive, that player will be quarantined for 2 weeks, regardless of if they are a star player or a scrub.

[calgaryred]

Originally Posted by Geeoff

I'm 100% sure that at least the NFL is gonna start up again. They have told teams to have a plan by May 15. So, I have a feeling at least some of these leagues are going to come back. My bet is if a single player tests positive, that player will be quarantined for 2 weeks, regardless of if they are a star player or a scrub.

It's not the player that's the concern it's how many players trainers coaches he has infected.

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[Jordan!]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

It's not the player that's the concern it's how many players trainers coaches he has infected.

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This virus will go on for years. We may as well just cancel all sports for 2-3 years

[The Yen Man]

I don't really understand the people who are against a resolution to the season, as long as it was done in a safe manner, and the NHL does everything to address the virus concerns and followed all necessary steps as mandated by the government.

This whole talk about having an asterisk beside the winner is silly IMO. There's no asterisk beside the teams who won during the lockout seasons. You better believe I'd be celebrating my pants off if the Flames win this season.

[jayswin]

Originally Posted by Johnhitbox

I would rather them play in a smaller venue, without fans, than a large venue with no fans. Awkwardness is real. Maybe disable ice level mic’s too.


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You say that but you aren't thinking about camera angles. Ever watch those hometown hockey winning towns that get an NHL game in their junior arena? It's brutal to watch.

[Geeoff]

Originally Posted by calgaryred

It's not the player that's the concern it's how many players trainers coaches he has infected.

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I think it's likely that any league that starts up would let their plan for when a player tests positive be known to the public before they ever started up.


Granted it's hard to plan for Twitter I suppose

[getbak]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You say that but you aren't thinking about camera angles. Ever watch those hometown hockey winning towns that get an NHL game in their junior arena? It's brutal to watch.

Plus, the NHL arenas are designed and equipped with the necessary infrastructure to do major live broadcasts. The camera positions and hook-ups are in place and ready to go.

Even then, they'll probably need to set up production facilities on the arena concourses or somewhere else in the buildings because the regular production trucks don't have enough room to maintain proper distancing. A small arena won't have the extra space they'll need, especially if they decide to have the broadcasters live on-site and not call the games remotely.

That doesn't even factor in standardized boards, glass, and ice-making equipment or the need for NHL-calibre dressing rooms (of which they'll need a minimum of 4 per arena).

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by Scroopy Noopers

I think they ride through that scenario, but it brings up another issue I mused over before, which is the benching of a potentially asymptomatic player for 14 days. Which will likely be necessary, but cause a ruckus if it’s a star. There are just so many things that can go wrong I can’t see them starting up again. It’s such an interesting topic though.

What do you mean ride through? If one or two players test positive you have to shut down/isolate the whole team, this just happened in the German league, even before they started the season.

Basically, a team that stays clean can win the cup by staying healthy while all the other teams get sick. I think you have to have two teams and 40 players ready to go. One team goes down, you plug in the other team. I seem to remember the NFL using replacement teams once.

It’s interesting talking about it, no way it happens though.

[Fuzz]

Originally Posted by jayswin

You say that but you aren't thinking about camera angles. Ever watch those hometown hockey winning towns that get an NHL game in their junior arena? It's brutal to watch.

They already overlay advertising in the rink, maybe they can add some cheesy digital fans, and a crowd-track.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by Flamenspiel

What do you mean ride through? If one or two players test positive you have to shut down/isolate the whole team, this just happened in the German league, even before they started the season.

If that’s the case then it is clear they cannot restart. I don’t imagine that is their proposed solution, because that clearly wouldn’t work.

[albertGQ]

Bill Daly already said if one player tests positive, that doesn’t meant the whole team shuts down.

Not sure why people are ignoring that quote.

[transplant99]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Bill Daly already said if one player tests positive, that doesn’t meant the whole team shuts down.

Not sure why people are ignoring that quote.

Not sure how he can make that quote with full confidence.

If there is a positive test somewhere, and the local health authority deems it an area to close down because of further contamination, then it gets shut down. The NHL isnt the one calling the shots in this scenario.

[Scroopy Noopers]

Originally Posted by transplant99

Not sure how he can make that quote with full confidence.

If there is a positive test somewhere, and the local health authority deems it an area to close down because of further contamination, then it gets shut down. The NHL isnt the one calling the shots in this scenario.

He didn’t, which is why it isn’t worth taking as a definitive statement:

“Everything depends on the facts and the entire set of circumstances,” Daly told TSN’s Ryan Rishaug. “but no, we do not believe that one positive test, even multiple positive tests wouldn’t necessarily shut the whole thing
down.

[Flamenspiel]

Originally Posted by albertGQ

Bill Daly already said if one player tests positive, that doesn’t meant the whole team shuts down.

Not sure why people are ignoring that quote.

Well, think about it...based on the processes being followed right now by health authorities around the world, the whole team would have been exposed to the virus, they would all have to be quarantined. Otherwise you would have a Cargill style breakout.

Bill Daly has no say in this, he might as well be pissing in the wind. Sports and other live events will be the last thing that returns to normal, I see travel coming back before this. On top of that it is simply not that important.

[transplant99]

OK then...his statement means nothing then because there is literally no way to know at this point. It may not "shut the whole thing down", but it's pretty likely it shuts that particular team down. Bill Daly is a really smart guy but in this case i think he is doing nothing more than toeing the company line.

In reality though...if it is a player who tests positive, every guy on that team will be told to self isolate as they have obviously been exposed in close quarters. We have seen it all over the place already. Unless they are deemed essential, hockey players and everyone associated are no different than you or me or joe blow on the corner.

That's why this seems like such an aggressive goal. I just dont see health authorities changing protocols for the NHL when the rest of those under their guidance have a different set of rules to follow.

I sincerely hope they can figure a way to do this that complies with all the local restrictions, but more so I hope they dont put anyone at risk (the optics of this would be so very very bad)....and that, as it stands, is nearly impossible at this point.

lAll that being said MLB looks like they are moving ahead and already have ideas/plans that haven't been made public that covers all these concerns?