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Old 05-04-2020, 06:49 AM   #141
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That jellyfish creatures appears to be one of the sprites.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprite_(lightning)
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Old 05-04-2020, 08:02 AM   #142
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https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/...al-phenomenon/

Art Bell had an episode about “rods” and “sky fish” that I caught during one of my bouts of insomnia.

According to the guest they can fly up to 300 mph and disintegrate when captured.

At work the next day we threw “rods” of all sorts at each other.

And here’s a 2013 “sighting” outside Calgary, but it looks like a centipede-like trick of the light for sure:

https://aerial-phenomenon.org/tag/rods/
Rods are just normal flying insects photographed with a slow shutter speed.
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https://www.coasttocoastam.com/show/...al-phenomenon/

Art Bell had an episode about “rods” and “sky fish” that I caught during one of my bouts of insomnia.

According to the guest they can fly up to 300 mph and disintegrate when captured.

At work the next day we threw “rods” of all sorts at each other.

And here’s a 2013 “sighting” outside Calgary, but it looks like a centipede-like trick of the light for sure:

https://aerial-phenomenon.org/tag/rods/
Rods were debunked years ago.

As it says in the description of that photo, they're nothing more than an optical illusion caused by bugs flying close to a camera and being illuminated by the flash.

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Object Details: In cryptozoology and outdoor photography, rods (sometimes known as “skyfish” or “solar entities”) are elongated artifacts produced by cameras that inadvertently capture several of a flying insect’s wingbeats. Videos of rod-shaped objects moving quickly through the air were claimed by some to be extraterrestrial life forms or small UFOs, but subsequent experiments showed that these rods appear in film because of an optical illusion/collusion in interlaced video recording.
They only appear in video footage or digital photos taken at night or in dark places because of the way video and digital images are captured. Unlike film, which captures a full image simultaneously, video and digital cameras scan the image from left to right and top to bottom.

This means that the upper left corner of the image was taken slightly earlier than the lower right corner. For most photos, the time difference is not noticeable because the scan happens so quickly and the objects in the image are moving so slowly (or not at all). Images taken in the dark require a longer exposure time (which is why it's hard to take a good photo at night without a tripod). When a small bug flies very close to the camera (especially if there's a flash) during the long exposure, it will be scanned in multiple locations during the same exposure, which creates the odd "rod" appearance.
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^ Yeah I just thought the whole rods thing was pretty funny.
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Art Bell and Coast to Coast AM was always good for a few laughs,
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Art Bell and Coast to Coast AM was always good for a few laughs,
Yeah it was a fun show. He'd have anyone as a guest no matter how bizarre their story was.
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Here is a good video that talks about many of the rare circumstances that all had to come together to create and nurture life on Earth, and why looking for "Earth-like" planets is only a tiny fraction of the equation.

It touches on things people often don't think about like the Earth's magnetic field, tidal influences, the Earth's perfect axis tilt and the composition of the solar system.

It's completely possible a perfect combination of conditions could happen elsewhere, but I don't think we should assume it's common enough that we will ever find it.

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Here is a good video that talks about many of the rare circumstances that all had to come together to create and nurture life on Earth, and why looking for "Earth-like" planets is only a tiny fraction of the equation.

It touches on things people often don't think about like the Earth's magnetic field, tidal influences, the Earth's perfect axis tilt and the composition of the solar system.

It's completely possible a perfect combination of conditions could happen elsewhere, but I don't think we should assume it's common enough that we will ever find it.

Earth is perfect for us but that doesn't mean other planets aren't perfect for it's inhabitants. We are the product of our planet and it's environment, it's air, it's gravity and it's weather. Other creatures would evolve to there's.

But the four things mentioned are likely not that rare.

Magnetic fields - just about any spinning planet with size has one, we could use ours to be a little stronger actually

Tidal influences - Moons are common, like about 180 common in our own solar system, even Pluto has one

Earth's perfect axis tilt - without the tilt we might be better off weather wise, the poles would be far to cold, the equator would still be hot but there would also be areas in between with perfect steady temps.

Composition of our solar system - there may better ones, like one without the 150 million asteroids we hope to avoid in ours.

They have been saying it for years, the key is liquid water, find a planet that has it and life most certainly could evolve.
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Watched an interview with former Senate majority leader Harry Reid, who without saying it, said the DoD/joint chiefs are sitting on way more evidence of these things than he is allowed or comfortable to admit.

Also was a government rep from Italy who described some pretty crazy sounding stuff that has occurred over there involving their military. Much of it off the coast of Sicily. He mentioned they have had over 13,000 reports, many by multiple people at different spots at the same time concerning the same incident.

Interesting stuff for sure.
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But the four things mentioned are likely not that rare.

Magnetic fields - just about any spinning planet with size has one, we could use ours to be a little stronger actually
I didn't fact check the video, but assuming the information is correct, the other planets in the solar system do not display magnetic fields that would protect the chemical processes for life. While extra-terrestrial life could have evolved much differently, chemical processes and physics should be expected to be consistent on other planets. It is of course very likely that other rocky planets have a similar situation, it could also be very rare for all we know. When we see estimates about the number of "Earth-like" planets, it doesn't take into account these subtleties.

It's an unknown factor at best until we have a larger sample size. We have no way of knowing whether such a thing has a 50/50 chance or a one in a billion chance. There are reasons talked about that make it sound unlikely to be a regular thing though.

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Tidal influences - Moons are common, like about 180 common in our own solar system, even Pluto has one
Moons are common, but not moons so large compared to their host planet to have the effects that ours does. In fact, out of all the planets discovered, the Earth is still the only one that fits this model. As mentioned in the video, the moon has tamed many of the Earth's systems regulating tides, daylight hours (or radiation it receives from the Sun), and photosynthesis. If the moon's mass or rotation were just a little different, it may have prevented the conditions for forming life to begin with.

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Earth's perfect axis tilt - without the tilt we might be better off weather wise, the poles would be far to cold, the equator would still be hot but there would also be areas in between with perfect steady temps.
But seasons are one of the catalysts for evolution and biodiversity. As I mentioned before, out of the estimated 5 billion species that have existed on Earth, only one has evolved into intelligent life. That is a very significant sample size.

A chance collision of a large asteroid with Earth is already a very remote thing of happening given the vastness and emptiness of space. The last known object to hit the Earth that could have had close to that effect was 66 million years ago. The one that hit Earth with just the right mass to create our axis was probably earlier and had to be just the right mass and trajectory relative to Earth to not kill the planet, but alter it just enough. I am not gambling on the odds of that happening often.

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Composition of our solar system - there may better ones, like one without the 150 million asteroids we hope to avoid in ours.

They have been saying it for years, the key is liquid water, find a planet that has it and life most certainly could evolve.
But we also have large outer planets that draw in asteroids that might otherwise hit us. Other star systems we observed (according to the video), show planets that are roughly uniform in mass. Such a system would leave planets in the habitable zone unprotected.

Not to mention that extinction events also benefited intelligent life. A planet with large predatory reptiles running around probably doesn't favour a group of clever, but physically weak monkeys leaving the forest and wondering the Savannah. Just based on what we know from our own planet, it took a 1/5 billion chance for evolutionary factors to lead us here.

I get the argument that on other planets, there could be completely different factors and environmental pressures steering evolution that favour intelligence more so, and that is fair. But I also think there are some things that should be common or universal. We are all flying around on space junk and subject to the same fundamental basic chemical and physical processes.
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Watched an interview with former Senate majority leader Harry Reid, who without saying it, said the DoD/joint chiefs are sitting on way more evidence of these things than he is allowed or comfortable to admit.

Also was a government rep from Italy who described some pretty crazy sounding stuff that has occurred over there involving their military. Much of it off the coast of Sicily. He mentioned they have had over 13,000 reports, many by multiple people at different spots at the same time concerning the same incident.

Interesting stuff for sure.
Do you have a link to the interview you can provide?
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Do you have a link to the interview you can provide?
It was on a TV show.....will see if i can find it.
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Former senator isn't surprised by the new UFO tapes

https://www.cnn.com/2020/04/28/polit...gon/index.html

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Reid's fascination with the possibility of alien life and the existence of UFOs dates back decades -- and is directly tied to a wealthy Nevadan named Robert Bigelow. Bigelow's father, as well as several other wealthy businessmen, were killed in a plane crash in the 1960s. His grandparents were convinced a UFO had something to do with it. And so Bigelow, as he got older and wealthier, would hold conferences on the subject of UFOs and the possibility of extraterrestrial life. Reid attended one of the seminars and, as he told New York magazine in 2018: "It was really fascinating quite frankly because there were people trying to figure out what all this aerial phenomenon was. Bigelow knew I was interested."

Now, what's important to remember here is that Reid isn't saying beyond a shadow of a doubt that UFOs and alien life forms (or ALF, for short) actually exist. He's simply saying that there's enough evidence to warrant further investigation.

"I personally don't know if there exist little green men places," Reid told a local Nevada radio station last year. "I kind of doubt that, but I do believe the information we have indicates we should do a lot more study."
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There are at least 40 billion Earth Like plants in the Milky Way Galaxy based on Kepler and 200 billion - 2 trillion galaxies.

Even with extreme odds the amount of intelligent life will be greater than 1. I think the only questions really are would they exist at the same time and would they be close enough to make contact
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John Podesta was also a big proponent in getting government information declassified on this subject. I remember his alluding to the fact there was stuff the public doesn't know, but has a right to know it.
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There are at least 40 billion Earth Like plants in the Milky Way Galaxy based on Kepler and 200 billion - 2 trillion galaxies.

Even with extreme odds the amount of intelligent life will be greater than 1. I think the only questions really are would they exist at the same time and would they be close enough to make contact
Yep, that's the real question. The idea that we're the only ones or the most advanced is crazy talk when you consider the math. The real question is if place in time or distance will ever let us discover or visit other life.

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Yep, that's the real question. The idea that we're the only ones or the most advanced is crazy talk when you consider the math. The real question is if place in time or distance will ever let us discover or visit other life.
If we do, I suspect it will be in the form of artificial intelligence and not biological, but even that would be a long shot.

Life probably rises and fall in the blink of an eye in astronomical terms, but I could see extra-terrestrial civilizations leaving epitaphs to be discovered before becoming extinct.
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To FlamesAddition's point, one thing to not forget here is that if we find life (let alone intellectual life) in other parts of the galaxy, it may just be remnants or what once existed. So many variables in planetary existence are at play. We should be incredibly joyous to find any sign - whether it's tiny microbial life that existed millions of years ago or human-like dopplegangers that may exist today.

If there was even a shred of evidence of life on mars existing at one point and its found during our lifetime, that would be monumental news that shakes our belief system about life to the core. Would love to see it.
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If there's one take away from thinking about extraterrestrial life it's that we should really appreciate what we are (or what we perceive or understand ourselves to be). To be a sentient being that appears to be biological and of free thought and movement on a natural planet is a gift greater than any religion can bull**** up for it's followers.

Of course whether we are what we think we are is up for debate and there's a chance we're not at all what we think we are. But even if you believe in what we're told we are, enjoy the hell out of it and maximize every opportunity and be everything you can be.
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If there's one take away from thinking about extraterrestrial life it's that we should really appreciate what we are (or what we perceive or understand ourselves to be). To be a sentient being that appears to be biological and of free thought and movement on a natural planet is a gift greater than any religion can bull**** up for it's followers.

Of course whether we are what we think we are is up for debate and there's a chance we're not at all what we think we are. But even if you believe in what we're told we are, enjoy the hell out of it and maximize every opportunity and be everything you can be.
This is what made Carl Sagan focus on environmentalism as his career progressed.

As wondrous as the universe is, he acknowledged that we just so happen to be sitting right on something pretty amazing We know life exists here and should be looking after it better.
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