Covid Jersey Vote - Best #39 Flames History

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That trade went down when I was sick as a dog on the couch for two days.

My dad tried to explain it to me but it made so little sense that I thought I had dreamed it when I woke up again.

conversely I remember half-heartedly trying to rationalize this trade to my dad- which ended being impossible - and involved Godynyuk somehow being the unrecognized reincarnation of Denis Potvin


god what a

[FlamesAddiction]

Am I understanding that right, and Pat Verbeek was on the table and the Flames opted for the Toronto package?

The little ball of hate would have looked great in a Flames uniform.

[Tabaracci_31]

Wow. Having Verbeek and Fleury would have been amazing. Can you imagine how much more annoying the team would’ve been to play against? I’m gonna try not to think too much about this one...

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by looooob

conversely I remember half-heartedly trying to rationalize this trade to my dad- which ended being impossible - and involved Godynyuk somehow being the unrecognized reincarnation of Denis Potvin


god what a

I just don't get how a group in hockey management could come up with this trade.

Petit and Berube were known bottom roster players ... you can probably toss Nattress into that mix as well.

Manderville and Godynyuk were prospects ... so fair if they valued the defenseman more.

Two backup goaltenders, I guess Reese was younger.

So basically it had to come down to massively over valuing Leeman. But it wouldn't have taken more than just looking at his hockey card. He was in the middle of his second straight poor season after his outlier 95 point season. He was already 28 so not likely to get better and was dealt for a player who was 3.5 years into his Calgary career at well over a point per game.

Just don't get it. Didn't get it then. Don't get it now.

They almost lost on every single player to player comparison.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bingo

They almost lost on every single player to player comparison.

Oh I think they probably did- in fact they came damn close to the getting the 5 worst players in a 10 player deal

[Jiri Hrdina]

I still remember when Leeman finally scored. I think against LA - on a shot from the point that basically grazed his stuck on the way in.
He was a little better the next year - including a hat-trick game, but it was clear it wasn't going to work.

This is how the Flames assets ended up eroding to absolutely nothing:
- Leeman was traded for Skrudland, who was then lost in the expansion draft
- Berube with traded for a 5th, used to draft Darryl LaFrance
- Godnyuk was lost in the expansion draft
- Petit was signed by LA as a free agent
- Reese was traded for Dan Keczmer, who was then dealt, with Housley for Albelin, Cale Hulse and Jocelyn Lemiuex. Albelin eventually left as a FA. Hulse was traded for Sergei Krivokrasov, then claimed in the expansion draft. Lemieux left as a FA.

Point is the Flames, not too long after the deal, had nothing left from the trade. The most valuable asset proved to be the frickin' backup goalie.

[Reggie Dunlop]

Needs a couple of Talbot votes for a credible second-place #39.

[Mango]

Originally Posted by Reggie Dunlop

Needs a couple of Talbot votes for a credible second-place #39.

Done. I'll never vote for Gilmour.

[FanIn80]

Killer gonna kill it.

[Buff]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That trade went down when I was sick as a dog on the couch for two days.

My dad tried to explain it to me but it made so little sense that I thought I had dreamed it when I woke up again.

That trade made me sick, as I'm sure it did for most other Flames fans too.

[EastCoastFlamesFan]

Originally Posted by Jiri Hrdina

I still remember when Leeman finally scored. I think against LA - on a shot from the point that basically grazed his stuck on the way in.
He was a little better the next year - including a hat-trick game, but it was clear it wasn't going to work.

This is how the Flames assets ended up eroding to absolutely nothing:
- Leeman was traded for Skrudland, who was then lost in the expansion draft
- Berube with traded for a 5th, used to draft Darryl LaFrance
- Godnyuk was lost in the expansion draft
- Petit was signed by LA as a free agent
- Reese was traded for Dan Keczmer, who was then dealt, with Housley for Albelin, Cale Hulse and Jocelyn Lemiuex. Albelin eventually left as a FA. Hulse was traded for Sergei Krivokrasov, then claimed in the expansion draft. Lemieux left as a FA.

Point is the Flames, not too long after the deal, had nothing left from the trade. The most valuable asset proved to be the frickin' backup goalie.

I like to look back on the original Skrudland deal. In theory, that seemed like a great late '93 addition for us to make a run that year.

My attempt at the lines that year going into the playoffs (call me out if something seems off)

Roberts - Nieuwy - Makarov
Ranheim - Reichel - Theo
Ashton - Otto - Stern
Berube - Skrudland - Paslawski

Musil - Chopper
Suter - Yawney
Dahlquist - Dahl/Johansson

That feels like a team that could have made a run. Too bad we laid a brick against LA that season. Anyone have any deep dive memories on what happened in that series? 99 just too much?

[Bingo]

Originally Posted by EastCoastFlamesFan

I like to look back on the original Skrudland deal. In theory, that seemed like a great late '93 addition for us to make a run that year.

My attempt at the lines that year going into the playoffs (call me out if something seems off)

Roberts - Nieuwy - Makarov
Ranheim - Reichel - Theo
Ashton - Otto - Stern
Berube - Skrudland - Paslawski

Musil - Chopper
Suter - Yawney
Dahlquist - Dahl/Johansson

That feels like a team that could have made a run. Too bad we laid a brick against LA that season. Anyone have any deep dive memories on what happened in that series? 99 just too much?

Flames had a .814 team save percentage in six games!

I have memories of pulled goalies .. certainly matches that stat!

[Harry Lime]

Wow, Verbeek and Mackenzie is such a superior deal. And not having to give up the better backup and two solid defensemen for no reason. That trade really was a franchise killer, gutted the team depth.

[Puppet Guy]

Originally Posted by Bingo

That trade went down when I was sick as a dog on the couch for two days.

My dad tried to explain it to me but it made so little sense that I thought I had dreamed it when I woke up again.

Originally Posted by Buff

That trade made me sick, as I'm sure it did for most other Flames fans too.

My appendix exploded not long after the trade. I've always wondered if the two were linked.

[Bleeding Red]

I seem to recall hearing that that trade had a lot to do with money. Not just Gilmour's contract but Macoun & Natress were also looking for big money (Natress left the leafs as a FA for PHI cash). I also recall a rumour that ownership was willing to go break-even until 1990 and then the team had to be profitable after that and in that economic climate that meant keeping salaries down (hence the future star exodus).



Let's also note that the team with Gilmour only made it out of the 1st round once and was on the way to missing the playoffs that year. The Flames didn't do any better in '93 or '94, but no worse either. Just saying he was way better than Leeman (hell, I'm better than Leeman), but he wasn't the second coming of Gretzky either.

[looooob]

Originally Posted by Bleeding Red

I seem to recall hearing that that trade had a lot to do with money. Not just Gilmour's contract but Macoun & Natress were also looking for big money (Natress left the leafs as a FA for PHI cash). I also recall a rumour that ownership was willing to go break-even until 1990 and then the team had to be profitable after that and in that economic climate that meant keeping salaries down (hence the future star exodus).



Let's also note that the team with Gilmour only made it out of the 1st round once and was on the way to missing the playoffs that year. The Flames didn't do any better in '93 or '94, but no worse either. Just saying he was way better than Leeman (hell, I'm better than Leeman), but he wasn't the second coming of Gretzky either.

sure money was a big factor here - but that doesn't defend how poorly they did in the trade (sneaky Cliff..) and we can agree the Flames under achieved post 89...but Gilmour was pretty damn good- look at his 2 first full years with the leafs- 238 regular season and 63 playoff points- he did go supernova for a while

[Steve Bozek]

The mismanagement of Skrudland really bothered me at the time. IIRC, he was looked on as captain material, but the Flames foolishly left him unprotected in the expansion draft and lost him. If he had stayed with the Flames for the next few years this vote might not be such an easy win for Gilmour.

[browna]

Yeah, cash was a big factor. Flames were top 3 or 4 in salary in 1989, and most of that carried over to 1990. The house cleaning then was too severe after losing to the Kings to shed salary and expenses, and it made Fletcher bolt for TO the next year.

Gilmour on his way out was not a shock, either the papers or talk radio at the time were on about it for a few weeks because he wanted 1m$ a year, a big raise. I was at the NYE game where he got a star (1st?) and recall thinking if this was the last time we had seen him..it was. He wanted huge money for one reason or another. I also heard a few things in the years after that time, that he was not doing any favours to the Flames executives with his off ice behavioir around town.

Verbeek would've been intriguing but he was a sour puss wherever he went too, so not sure if his performance would've been as expected. The trade was hung on Leeman having a 50 goal season two years prior, and trending to about 140 goals over the past 3 seasons.

Recall hearing about the trade on the way to Banff for a short family holiday. Peter Maher was putting a pretty good spin on it Iirc.

[drewtastic]

It doesn't matter what anyone says, controversies, bad trades with the Leafs, whatever.

Gilmour wins this in a landslide. And as much as Leafs fans lionize hm, he only won one Stanley Cup. (Scored the GWG, in fact.)

I type this under the watchful eye of this photo, one that I picked up for a pittance somewhere along the way.

Spoiler!

[jessnuts]

Those gloves, Ferkland, or whatever their name is